Another victory in the war on P. May there be many more victories like this!

[Edbear]

A lot of the ills of the time were blamed on the 'youth' back when you were one too.

lol

Give you that one,nicely put to.

The ills are not "blamed on the young" in so much as the young are bringing it upon themselves. How different would it be if these young were not figuring so prominently in the afromentioned courts, jail-cells, hospitals and morgues? You seem to forget that, young short-circuit. Stop being so immature and causing so much mayhem and the "blame" will go away... Not rocket science is it?

Sigh... Everyone's an expert. You could make the same claim about all the laws of society. Think about it.

Yeah its a fucked up world and we all have our own perspective.
Take everything you read about illegal drugs, and replace it with the words "illegal speeding".
And before you say "Its not the same" - your right - speeding kills far more people per year than drug overdose.
I am anti-drugs. But thankfully many to take drugs too far, meet Darwin. So making it illegal simply extends their worthless lives. Whats the point?

We should all be allowed to make our own uneducated decisions. And be punished only if our decisions affect other aspects of the law which are already written. E.g. theft, assault etc. Also giving the police the right to shoot/tazer people whom are on drugs or drunk could assist things a bit.

Yeah, but whenever have you heard of the punishment fitting the crime?

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."

Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921

See my response to short-circuit. Every law is broken and ignored by certain people, ergo, is every law a failure? Most people obey the law pretty closely and may infringe in a minor way inadvertantly or say, exceeding the speed limit by a few km/h. A minority, flagrantly flout the law at every opportunity because that's the type of person they are and they want to get away with as much as they can. Doesn't matter what the law is.

Then there are the criminal types who break the law to get riches or power at the expense of others. So you tell us, exactly what has law and education done to change people's attitudes? People who care, and are brought up "right", will usually listen to education and follow the law for the common good of society. whereas those brought up in an uncaring environment and without direction, will generally turn out to be lawbreakers and selfish.

Again, it's not rocket science.

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The ills are not "blamed on the young" in so much as the young are bringing it upon themselves. How different would it be if these young were not figuring so prominently in the afromentioned courts, jail-cells, hospitals and morgues? You seem to forget that, young short-circuit. Stop being so immature and causing so much mayhem and the "blame" will go away... Not rocket science is it?



Sigh... Everyone's an expert. You could make the same claim about all the laws of society. Think about it.



Yeah, but whenever have you heard of the punishment fitting the crime?



See my response to short-circuit. Every law is broken and ignored by certain people, ergo, is every law a failure? Most people obey the law pretty closely and may infringe in a minor way inadvertantly or say, exceeding the speed limit by a few km/h. A minority, flagrantly flout the law at every opportunity because that's the type of person they are and they want to get away with as much as they can. Doesn't matter what the law is.

Then there are the criminal types who break the law to get riches or power at the expense of others. So you tell us, exactly what has law and education done to change people's attitudes? People who care, and are brought up "right", will usually listen to education and follow the law for the common good of society. whereas those brought up in an uncaring environment and without direction, will generally turn out to be lawbreakers and selfish.

Again, it's not rocket science.

Keep swallowing the crap then Ed - ignore the evidence. It seems in your case that ignorance really is bliss (the news/media/government/bible/mommy told me so).

[Edbear]

Keep swallowing the crap then Ed - ignore the evidence. It seems in your case that ignorance really is bliss (the news/media/government/bible/mommy told me so).

You really have a chip on your (very) young shoulders, mate. What is your beef? What is your answer? Resorting to personal abuse and ridicule doesn't do you any favours if you want to be taken seriously.

Take a more mature approach and stop being so defensive and you'll find people will listen to you.

[MSTRS:Me]

American evidence goes toward a standard service sidearm being "less than adequate" when dealing with a vilolent person high on methamphetamine. Reports of having to shoot an offender with up to 19 rounds are out there.

A non-fatal shot would usually incapacitate through shock. That first massive shock numbs the body to any that follow.
If the body is able to absorb the first shock, or is rendered incapable of shock through chemical means, then further shot/s must be of the immediately fatal variety.
How close does the triggerman have to be with a pistol, to ensure accuracy of impact point?

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You really have a chip on your (very) young shoulders, mate. What is your beef? What is your answer? Resorting to personal abuse and ridicule doesn't do you any favours if you want to be taken seriously.

Take a more mature approach and stop being so defensive and you'll find people will listen to you.

Not partaking in the tiresome game of ain't it awful ("the youth of today" version), doesn't make me "young" - sadly enough.



P.S: Why don't you read this through and see if it can be of use to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Crasherfromwayback]

How close does the triggerman have to be with a pistol, to ensure accuracy of impact point?

Point blank???

[Edbear]

Not partaking in the tiresome game of ain't it awful ("the youth of today" version), doesn't make me "young" - sadly enough.

P.S: Why don't you read this through and see if it can be of use to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

LOL!!! If you read my posts more carefully, you'll notice I'm not blaming the youth of today for the ills of society, merely pointing out that as regards youth, (I'm more 'direct' and less charitable talking about adults), some, not all, are causing a lot of attention and prejudice due to their own actions. How many times has it been said on KB that the idiots who ride badly are bringing reproach on all motorcyclists?

If you want to know the age groups causing the carnage, talk to those in the front line who are actually there on the scene literally picking up the pieces and answering the 111 calls.

[oneofsix]

LOL!!! If you read my posts more carefully, you'll notice I'm not blaming the youth of today for the ills of society, merely pointing out that as regards youth, (I'm more 'direct' and less charitable talking about adults), some, not all, are causing a lot of attention and prejudice due to their own actions. How many times has it been said on KB that the idiots who ride badly are bringing reproach on all motorcyclists?

If you want to know the age groups causing the carnage, talk to those in the front line who are actually there on the scene literally picking up the pieces and answering the 111 calls.

Isn't this all part of being young? Why society has to work so hard at protecting them from themselves so they can grow old and wise This is why societies have always used the young, mainly males, as its warriors.

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LOL!!! If you read my posts more carefully, you'll notice I'm not blaming the youth of today for the ills of society, merely pointing out that as regards youth, (I'm more 'direct' and less charitable talking about adults), some, not all, are causing a lot of attention and prejudice due to their own actions. How many times has it been said on KB that the idiots who ride badly are bringing reproach on all motorcyclists?

If you want to know the age groups causing the carnage, talk to those in the front line who are actually there on the scene literally picking up the pieces and answering the 111 calls.

And I am suggesting that specifically youth problems with substance consumption, misuse and associated problems are an overstated secondary issue (at best) and a red-hearing that distract from adult abuse and dependence. And, further, that this type of scapegoating is part of the problem as it maintains the status quo.

The current approach to drug "control" is not designed to change anything. It hasn't so far and never will.

[Edbear]

Isn't this all part of being young? Why society has to work so hard at protecting them from themselves so they can grow old and wise This is why societies have always used the young, mainly males, as its warriors.

Personally I reckon the people who start the wars should fight the wars, that would pretty much wipe out war on this planet.

And I am suggesting that specifically youth problems with substance consumption, misuse and associated problems are an overstated secondary issue (at best) and a red-hearing that distract from adult abuse and dependence. And, further, that this type of scapegoating is part of the problem as it maintains the status quo.

The current approach to drug "control" is not designed to change anything.

I think you'll find that TPTB and commentators are pointing the finger at the adults who are supposed to be caring for the youth. Instead these adults are not only abusing alcohol and drugs themselves, but supplying the impressionable youth with them and to make it a complete failure, not only don't know where their kids are, they don't care where they are.

So the youth aren't doing themselves any favours by behaving as complete morons, but the adults are encouraging them to do so. I'd also like to repeat that I know many young ones who are sensible and responsible and really trying to make something of their lives. Perhaps more should be done to publicise this fact, too. Make good sense and achievement popular?

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So the youth aren't doing themselves any favours by....

"Youth" aren't fucking themselves and others up in disproportionate numbers compared with the rest of us - it is a media fed myth.

[Swoop]

Depends on where you shoot the fucker I guess. High or not...I reckon one right between the eyes would stop him/her dead. 'Cuse the pun.

The info that I had, portrayed shots to the torso/chest region. One would hope a headshot would work but that is asking quite a lot of the officer concerned.

A drugged-up offender is rather dangerous.

How close does the triggerman have to be with a pistol, to ensure accuracy of impact point?

I seem to remember the distance being 2-3 metres in the US shooting.
Closest range practice comes down to approx 2 metres.

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Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

Hahaha...yeah wonder who thinks I'm a p head! Don't even smoke ciggies nowadays...

[rachprice]

Going back to the main issue...I'm with Crasher/P-smoker-fromwayback on this one: Legalize the lot, medicalise rather than criminalise, educate and regulate like fuck.

I've never seen him smoke it, too smart for that!

I do think that a lot of people who say they know a lot about these drugs, that are so evil and horrible, don't actually really know what they are talking about, most people get their opinions and views from extremely biased media/internet etc (but both for and against drugs!)