Should Katman shut the fuck up?

[bogan]

That time of the year again? Wonder what I voted last time pity there is no acquire more tact option

[oneofsix]

Voted no because I think the message, when appropriate, is good and we do need to ride safe. Like others it is the delivery and timing that needs work. In a way Katman needs a version of his own message targeted at his delivery. Just like he wants the riders to learn rather than give up riding he needs to learn rather than shut up.

[MSTRS:Me]

If you are all honest, do you really think anyone will respond if he his 'message' is a watery version? What if he stops - will someone else see a need to fill the gap? Or if the haranguing stops, what sort of change/s might we see to riding attitudes?
He's only one guy, but he's touched a lot of peoples' nerves and, at the very least, made them take a quick look at themselves.

[Katman]

Bullshit, if thats the case you might as well sign off for good, re-read my now edited post.

I don't really give a fuck what you think of the concept of the poll Mark.

Like I said - it's a line in the sand.

[oneofsix]

If you are all honest, do you really think anyone will respond if he his 'message' is a watery version? What if he stops - will someone else see a need to fill the gap? Or if the haranguing stops, what sort of change/s might we see to riding attitudes?
He's only one guy, but he's touched a lot of peoples' nerves and, at the very least, made them take a quick look at themselves.

watered down version not a watery version. There is a difference. I think people will respond better if his message is delivered with more tact, it doesn't have to be watered down even.

[MSTRS:Me]

watered down version not a watery version. There is a difference. I think people will respond better if his message is delivered with more tact, it doesn't have to be watered down even.

Granted, there have been times in the past where he posted inappropriately. You have surely noted that he stays out of 'those' threads now?
As for watery/watered down - have you seen the DD ads like the 'Mate' one? Shows the drunken git driving into a bridge abutment. This is as in-your-face as tptb are willing to get. At this stage. Put it in KM terms, and he just goes straight to the reality. One of the passenger's head goes bouncing down the road in slo-mo.

[BoristheBiter]

He's only one guy, but he's touched a lot of peoples' nerves and, at the very least, made them take a quick look at themselves.

What so hes like DB then?

And NO i like a good laugh now and then.

[MSTRS:Me]

What so hes like DB then?

It's not nerves that DB is interested in touching...

[Paul in NZ]

If you think the message is a valid one yet you feel it's not working you should consider modifing the delivery. Its madness to keep on doing the same thing yet expecting a different result?

On the otherhandl - persistence is a good thing. Look to the gay rights / civil rights movements. It was hard yards at first but turning up and sticking to the message through time DID change the world... You just have to put your steel undies on for the first bit....

[BoristheBiter]

It's not nerves that DB is interested in touching...

Sorry, my bad

[Fatt Max]

No from me, unless you start talking about:

- The advantages of salad
- How good Arsenal are
- Germans
- Where babies come from

[superman]

Kiwi Biker just wouldn't be the same if Katman no longer provided the countless moments of entertainment, thought provocation and sheer consistency.

Good on ya mate.

[avgas]

watered down version not a watery version. There is a difference. I think people will respond better if his message is delivered with more tact, it doesn't have to be watered down even.

Waaaaa waaaaa waaaaa
Doesn't matter how the message is structured or what is said.
If people can't ignore - fuck knows how they live in the real work.

Who gives a fuck how they respond? If they don't like it - whats the point in crying about it?
That only works for 1 year olds.

[baptist]

No, it takes two sides to have a debate, even if I do not agree all the time both sides need to be heard.

. One of the passenger's head goes bouncing down the road in slo-mo.

Come on I was just about to bite into my lunch time pie

No from me, unless you start talking about:

- The advantages of salad - You grow big floppy ears and huge teeth
- How good Arsenal are... erm would rather pull my own eyes out than listen to that
- Germans as for the chip shop bombers see above
- Where babies come from from the Stork of course... everybody knows that

[DangerMice]

no way, your advice has saved my arse from getting squashed by a car on at least one occasion