MNZ board nominations

[scrivy]

Hi Robert,

I havent read all of the other threads on this subject nor have the considerable time that would be required to do so!

If we dont vote then when it comes to grizzling we should be similarly apathetic about doing so.
Absolutely correct!

I think after only one year as President Jim has had precious little time to make his mark and therefore also continue with some of the positive directions taken
He's been President for two years.

It is my sincere hope that the road race rules are not severely emasculated once again because there is nothing worse for competitors and suppliers when there is constant uncertainty.
Do you know with any certainty that Jim won't do that, or that Chris will do that???

Indeed a number of those suppliers are massive bill payers and / or very active in this sport and their involvement must be respected commensuarte with what they put in. Too often they are taken for granted by too many, almost as if they are a charity.
I just want to know, how exactly has Jim has grown the sport, if the Nats this year no longer have one of their main sponsors? Or may not even have a club that will run the Manfeild round of the Nats?

Jim is not perfect and can have a gruff demeanour at times
I absolutely agree!
but there is no doubt that his heart is in the right place and he is and will continue to work very hard.
Are we voting for a President or Club Patron??
If its a President, then we need to elect a credible, non-aggressive individual that can be a respectable figurehead for our sport. One that can go to any event in NZ without being banned. One that can respectably liaise with contractors/sponsors/organisers/members and club officials without threats of violence towards them.
Having your heart in the right place is of no relevance if you are prepared to ignore paid financial members, deliberately attack individuals, refuse to act on governance issues, not be transparent, and have affiliated clubs pull out of MNZ.

For the reasons expressed above I urge all MNZ members to vote and may the best man win, whomever they collectively consider that to be.

Yes, please everyone VOTE!!

[Billy]

If we dont vote then when it comes to grizzling we should be similarly apathetic about doing so. Its also timely to remember that most of the stewards and officials that act on behalf of MNZ are volunteers that give up most of their precious spare time and are compensated only for expenses and sometimes I suspect not even that. ( they are not politicians! ) Warts and all we must always take stock of their goodwill.

But moreover especially when it comes to the position of President I think ( me speaking as a private citizen ) we need continuity. I liken it to the new Government in the UK elected last year. They inherited a very broken economy and disfunctional society, even moreso than here. You do not fix such huge issues in one electoral term!

This sport like any is full of warring factions and some with questionable agendas and not all decisions are taken autocratically at the very highest level. But its a problem that any President and elected board has to contend with. Personally I have no issue with Chris Lawrence nor any need of but I think after only one year as President Jim has had precious little time to make his mark and therefore also continue with some of the positive directions taken

It is my sincere hope that the road race rules are not severely emasculated once again because there is nothing worse for competitors and suppliers when there is constant uncertainty. Indeed a number of those suppliers are massive bill payers and / or very active in this sport and their involvement must be respected commensuarte with what they put in. Too often they are taken for granted by too many, almost as if they are a charity.

Jim is not perfect and can have a gruff demeanour at times but there is no doubt that his heart is in the right place and he is and will continue to work very hard. Personally I will be checking that my associate membership is still current and voting for continuity.

For the reasons expressed above I urge all MNZ members to vote and may the best man win, whomever they collectively consider that to be.

Absolutely,Couldnt agree more Robert.

Its easy too look honest if you dont answer the hard questions!

[Robert Taylor]

Absolutely,Couldnt agree more Robert.

Its easy too look honest if you dont answer the hard questions!

Hey Billy, Jim aint perfect but I think there should be continuity. But as Ive also stressed Ive got nothing against Chris Lawrence. Its important that everyone votes.

[Biggles08]

Hey Billy, Jim aint perfect but I think there should be continuity. But as Ive also stressed Ive got nothing against Chris Lawrence. Its important that everyone votes.

And with online voting this time its soooo easy...no excuses! VOTE!

[sidecar bob]

Absolutely,Couldnt agree more Robert.

Its easy too look honest if you dont answer the hard questions!

And even easier if you dont answer any questions, Emails or anything.
I wonder if anyone cares to explain why Choppa cant even get a "yep we got your e mail, now piss off" out of MNZ at the moment, regarding his request re carnet bond covor.
The current policy of ignoring members requests for information needs to go.
Scrivy spent seven weeks & countless E mails & phn calls waiting for minutes of meetings, which could have & should have been actioned within 24 hours of the first request.
Perhaps a small portion of the 200k that Jim has apparently made should be invested in employing an individual to answer member requests.
Also, on the 200k thing. When did the goal of MNZ become to make money? Its not a business or Corporation, so excessive profit, suggests that members have paid excessively for the privelidge of being members, or MNZ has not provided properly for them.
Id hardly be bragging that id fleeced members to the tune of 200k in excess.

[Billy]

And even easier if you dont answer any questions, Emails or anything.
I wonder if anyone cares to explain why Choppa cant even get a "yep we got your e mail, now piss off" out of MNZ at the moment.
The current policy of ignoring members requests for information needs to go.
Scrivy spent seven weeks & countless E mails & phn calls waiting for minutes of meetings.
Perhaps a small portion of the 200k that Jim has apparently made should be invested in employing an individual to answer member requests.
Also, on the 200k thing. When did the goal of MNZ become to make money? Its not a business or Corporation, so the profit suggests that members have paid excessively for the privelidge of being members, or MNZ has not provided properly for them.
Id hardly be bragging that id fleeced members to the tune of 200k in excess.

Who doesnt answer ANY questions???I have always managed to get the information Ive required,Admittedly not always on the spot,But thats how it is with an organisation run mostly by volunteers where decisions have too be discussed between the board and the commissioners in some cases before information can be released,I dont think anybodys going too suggest there arent flaws in the communication channels between MNZ and its members,But just try and remember,Its not all about you and there are 5500 members involved!!

Chris has already demonstrated that things will be no better if he was president by not answering questions here and on Marcus's facebook page.

As far as the $200,000.00 is concerned,Would this be the same sum that was supposedly falsified earlier in this thread,Are you trying to suggest Jim and the board set out on a mission to rob the MNZ members of unnecessary fees to provide a profit???Or could it be they just did their job properly and cut some useless money draining fat out of the system to try and stop the organisation from going under as it was headed??

Who said they will continue on down the same track for their next term and there wont be any benefits for members come out of it??Oh yeah NOBODY!!Furthermore if anybody was to make a statement pertaining to this subject that was going to be credible,It would have to be somebody on the board!

To sum up Steve,Whether Jim and the board lose money or make money as far as your concerned theyve got it wrong,Could be worse,They could just sit back and let it all go pearshaped when things dont go their way.

[sidecar bob]

Who doesnt answer ANY questions???I have always managed to get the information Ive required,Admittedly not always on the spot,But thats how it is with an organisation run mostly by volunteers where decisions have too be discussed between the board and the commissioners in some cases before information can be released,I dont think anybodys going too suggest there arent flaws in the communication channels between MNZ and its members,But just try and remember,Its not all about you and there are 5500 members involved!!

Chris has already demonstrated that things will be no better if he was president by not answering questions here and on Marcus's facebook page.

As far as the $200,000.00 is concerned,Would this be the same sum that was supposedly falsified earlier in this thread,Are you trying to suggest Jim and the board set out on a mission to rob the MNZ members of unnecessary fees to provide a profit???Or could it be they just did their job properly and cut some useless money draining fat out of the system to try and stop the organisation from going under as it was headed??

Who said they will continue on down the same track for their next term and there wont be any benefits for members come out of it??Oh yeah NOBODY!!Furthermore if anybody was to make a statement pertaining to this subject that was going to be credible,It would have to be somebody on the board!

To sum up Steve,Whether Jim and the board lose money or make money as far as your concerned theyve got it wrong,Could be worse,They could just sit back and let it all go pearshaped when things dont go their way.

I take exception to your suggestion that MNZ is run mostly by volunteers. There are a number of people employed in Huntly PERMANENTLY. If I had staff that were so hopeless that they couldnt flick off a simple E mail within 24 hours, heads would roll.
Perhaps its not their fault & the real problem lies with the managment being obstructive & destructive to them.
It must be kinda hard to be the President of an organisation, when youre banned from entering their offices because you harrased the fuck out of the staff over a prolonged period.
The rest of your post is merely opinion, Ill stick to mine & you are entitled to yours.

[scott411]

having been through the ringer to get minutes of meetings as well, then had other questions ignored i can relate to Bob's comments, until i started quoting the consitution did we get any action,

6.4.2 The GB shall conduct itself as transparently as possible. Full minutes of the proceedings of each meeting shall be
kept and available to Full members upon request, however, the GB shall decline to make publicly available any
commercially sensitive material or material that affects the privacy of a particular individual, including employment
matters unless authorised to do so in writing by all affected parties. The GB may, at its sole discretion, authorise the
minutes, or any parts thereof, to be published on the MNZ website

i think the minutes of all board meetings should be posted on the website, (which needs to stop trying to be a news site as well) with sensitive and employment issues edited out, i also think any dicipline action should be posted on there as well, (it is on Motorsport NZ and Speedway NZ websites)

[Billy]

I take exception to your suggestion that MNZ is run mostly by volunteers. There are a number of people employed in Huntly PERMANENTLY. If I had staff that were so hopeless that they couldnt flick off a simple E mail within 24 hours, heads would roll.
Perhaps its not their fault & the real problem lies with the managment being obstructive & destructive to them.
It must be kinda hard to be the President of an organisation, when youre banned from entering their offices because you harrased the fuck out of the staff over a prolonged period.

Four paid staff members run the office,4 got it,Their tasks include the issuing of licences for 5500 members,permits as well as the day to day tasks involved with running the sport and office,That includes the requests and complaints from 5500 members.Some of the requests made of them are unable to be answered or decisions made with out consulting board or commission members,Heres a scenario for you Steve,1000 members contact them all on one day,Thats less than 25% of the total and say 25 of those queries need to be discussed at board level or consultation with a commission member is required,Is it still reasonable to expect an answer to everybodys request within 24 hours????Need me to answer that for you?

Regarding the current President being barred from the offices,You mean when he pestered the staff members for the very same information you mentioned above that Scrivy requested and was supplied as you state after 7 weeks,The then CEO took exception too his requests and ordered Jim deal with him and him only???

Oh and just for the record that was 2 years ago and since Jim has taken over he has had an amicable relationship with the office staff and will continue to do so as long as hes President.

Banned from entering the offices indeed,Get your facts straight Steve.All your ramblings just reinforce the fact you guys clearly have NO insight into the running of the organisation at all or the enormity of the job that is MNZ President!!!

[sidecar bob]

Four paid staff members run the office,4 got it,Their tasks include the issuing of licences for 5500 members,permits as well as the day to day tasks involved with running the sport and office,That includes the requests and complaints from 5500 members.Some of the requests made of them are unable to be answered or decisions made with out consulting board or commission members,Heres a scenario for you Steve,1000 members contact them all on one day,Thats less than 25% of the total and say 25 of those queries need to be discussed at board level or consultation with a commission member is required,Is it still reasonable to expect an answer to everybodys request within 24 hours????Need me to answer that for you?

Regarding the current President being barred from the offices,You mean when he pestered the staff members for the very same information you mentioned above that Scrivy requested and was supplied as you state after 7 weeks,The then CEO took exception too his requests and ordered Jim deal with him and him only???

Oh and just for the record that was 2 years ago and since Jim has taken over he has had an amicable relationship with the office staff and will continue to do so as long as hes President.

Banned from entering the offices indeed,Get your facts straight Steve.All your ramblings just reinforce the fact you guys clearly have NO insight into the running of the organisation at all or the enormity of the job that is MNZ President!!!

Are you suggesting that every day, 25 percent of members contact MNZ, so that means that by your fantastic imagined scenario,each & every week, 125 percent of members contact them?? That is all members contact them once & 25 percent contact them twice? Whatever Trevor.
If theyre busting their arse & getting nowhere, then its clear where some of the 200k savings should go.
Also, regarding a simple request for minutes. Why would the CEO take exception to such a simple everyday request?
So you are admitting Jim was barred for "pestering" as you so eloquently put it??
Youre kinda contradicting yourself on that one, because in the next breath you say hes all amicable with them, which is it? I already know.

[scrivy]

So you are admitting Jim was barred for "pestering" as you so eloquently put it??

Pestering??? LMFAO!!!! How is over 70 harrassing e-mails and texts (not to mention phonecalls) to MNZ members pestering??

Thats down right harrasment and personal attacking!

.....and that is why Pav had to be 'paid out', as Jim stuffed up his dismissal, and Pav could have wiped Jim's arse with the law suit.
Good old Jim. That was his agenda for getting into MNZ.

Its funny really, everybody thinks that just because you're in MNZ that you have to act this way.
If Chris gets in, you'll find that people will be spoken to politely, respectfully and with integrity. Things will move forward positively.

I guess that's why Billy and co on here are so opposed to Chris, as they think that he will do to them as Jim did to his detractors. This is far from the truth.

Scrivy

[Billy]

Are you suggesting that every day, 25 percent of members contact MNZ, so that means that by your fantastic imagined scenario,each & every week, 125 percent of members contact them?? That is all members contact them once & 25 percent contact them twice? Whatever Trevor.
If theyre busting their arse & getting nowhere, then its clear where some of the 200k savings should go.
Also, regarding a simple request for minutes. Why would the CEO take exception to such a simple everyday request?
So you are admitting Jim was barred for "pestering" as you so eloquently put it??
Youre kinda contradicting yourself on that one, because in the next breath you say hes all amicable with them, which is it? I already know.

Clearly not Einstein,It was CLEARLY a scenario that could happen.Feel free to prove it hasnt ever occured!

Maybe the CEO was trying to hide something,I have no idea youd need to talk to him on that subject!

Absolutely nowhere did I say Jim was barred,That was your insinuation not mine,I stated he was instructed to make all his requests directly to the CEO,You twist it however you want,NO CONTRADICTION here sorry

[Billy]

Pestering??? LMFAO!!!! How is over 70 harrassing e-mails and texts (not to mention phonecalls) to MNZ members pestering??


Scrivy

Scrivy spent seven weeks & countless E mails & phn calls waiting for minutes of meetings,

And the difference is??????Oh yeah Jim didnt try to stonewall him!

ROLFLMFAO

[denill]

i think the minutes of all board meetings should be posted on the website, (which needs to stop trying to be a news site as well) with sensitive and employment issues edited out, i also think any dicipline action should be posted on there as well, (it is on Motorsport NZ and Speedway NZ websites)

IMO there are three topics that are very worthy of being underlined:

1 - i think the minutes of all board meetings should be posted on the website,

2 - (The MNZ website) needs to stop trying to be a news site as well

3 - any dicipline action should be posted on there as well

The point of spending money on a website is to convey information that is relative to and for the benefit of the entity(Commercial or organisation) that commissions the website. The MNZ News is replicated and readily available for those who want it and for that matter an abundance of M/Cycle sport internet news available.

As Scott alluded – MNZ needs to think about what the Website can do for its financial backers. The MNZ membership. They don't need to be entertained - they need to be 'informed'.

[scrivy]

As Scott alluded – MNZ needs to think about what the Website can do for its financial backers. The MNZ membership. They don't need to be entertained - they need to be 'informed'.

That is the very fundamental that Chris Lawrance wants in MNZ.

'To offer effective, responsible and appropriate communication to clubs and riders' - Chris Lawrance

This is MNZ's biggest downfall to date. Things will improve if Chris is elected without a doubt.