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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender EnZed View Post
    It's hardly revoltionary to suggest that by 2016 it'll be 66 and that by 2027 it'll be 67. I'd be amazed if it wasn't.
    Except that it seems to be a sacred cow for most parties - one of the things National did that I don't like (and there's a few), was say "we wont touch the superannuation age"

    Labour (to my knowledge) have never said anything about raising the Super age either.

    So it's a case of one of them biting the bullet and whacking it up straight away, or greasing the populace up and easing it up a bit at a time (yes, double entendre intended)

    From memory, Super costs more than the DPB - yet no-one has said "Sorry, guys it can't continue this way"

    It doesn't help, of course, that Muldoon and his mates dismantles the last Super Scheme we had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Nope.

    If you think MP's are in it for the money, I suggest that you hang out with one for a ‎couple of days. I don't care what they get paid, it just ain't worth it for the shit they ‎have to put up, see and listen to on a daily basis.‎ National, Labour, ACT Maori or Green, I doubt any of them are earning substanially more than they got in private life.
    I never realised that failed teachers, academics, lawyers and graduates who went straight into politics were so well paid in the private sector.
    Sorry, for most of them, this is 3-5x as much money as they would be earning in a real job. John Key, and a couple of the Act/ Nat pollies are an exception.
    There are plenty of areas to cut expenses, in fact entire departments, and anything with "commission" in the name should be an endangered species
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    We both thought that the Gummint should reverse the tax cuts. The problem is, of course, that Phil Goff and his mates (despite screaming for the Nats to reverse them) would them be bitching that there was a broken promise.

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    I idly wonder if they're all in on a massive game against the populace.
    It's a consequence of how we structure government. You can do nothing useful in opposition, so all your effort goes in to winning the election. That gets to be the whole game - not delivering the value afterwards. And like the successive CVs of a person who's been out of work for a while, the promises and claims get bolder and less connected with reality, until they "get hired" and then have to deliver. The whole thing made worse by being openly competitive, of course - like applying for the only job in town, when all CVs are public, and the job gets renewed every three years so you can have another crack. Strong incentive for the losers to keep attacking the winners, irrespective of what they are actually doing, or which "side" they're on.

    Like employees, the better ones stick more closely to their innate values and nature, so can more easily recover after winning and deliver something not too far from what was promised. But the losers continue to attack them. The worse ones (partisanship aside, this defo applies to the current lot) win, then don't, or can't deliver. What they presented pre-election, and what they actually are, are just too far apart.

    Incidentally, this is why FPP is such a stupid idea - at least with MPP we're hiring some different buggers to try and hold the winners to account.

    We don't employ pollies to run the country in our best interests anymore, we have set them up like competing sports teams. Over time this just magnifies and entrenches the differences between the two, and leads to the polarised setup we currently have. Voters just become one-eyed football hooligans, not people trying to do the best for the whole country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    Farmers are probably able to call a lot of their living expenses "business expenses" not sure it would be so easy for other type of small businesses though.
    Some farm expenditure is shared (electricity, etc), but it's usual for an allocation of this to be applied to the personal account rather than the business. That said proper personal drawings are usually lower for farmers as they have lower living expenses (need less, and don't forget barter). The typical small farmer isn't actually making a shitload of money unless they are really large scale. Smaller growers and mixed farms don't make a ton of cash, and inputs aren't getting cheaper either. Fertiliser is expensive, and with PSA, psyllids etc other more pesticides etc are needed. Potato farmers are now spraying a helluva lot more than they did before, for example. And the supermarkets continue to fuck over the farmers. Sure diary is till making money, but it's usually high debt too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post

    Got any evidence of this, or just trotting out spin lines?
    Which rock are you living under?
    He's been doing it since he was leader of the opposition.
    Labour having been giving Key shit about everything from being a rogue trader to having too many minders. Do you think they'd let him spin charity donations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffm View Post
    I never realised that failed teachers, academics, lawyers and graduates who went straight into politics were so well paid in the private sector.
    Sorry, for most of them, this is 3-5x as much money as they would be earning in a real job. John Key, and a couple of the Act/ Nat pollies are an exception.
    There are plenty of areas to cut expenses, in fact entire departments, and anything with "commission" in the name should be an endangered species
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    Jeez, lay off the bong will ya?
    Name one MP that is getting paid 5 times what he/she did before entering Parliament.
    That POS Nandor maybe, but he's gone.

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    Actually Nandor was one of the more intelligent guys there. I don't give him any credence as an MP, but he is a smart guy. Maybe that's why he's not there any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Jeez, lay off the bong will ya?
    Name one MP that is getting paid 5 times what he/she did before entering Parliament.
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    Gareth Hughes

    Parekura Horomia

    Paula Bennett

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    Gareth Hughes

    Parekura Horomia

    Paula Bennett
    He said one, not three.

    Sheesh, pay attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    Actually Nandor was one of the more intelligent guys there. I don't give him any credence as an MP, but he is a smart guy. Maybe that's why he's not there any more.
    ''Actually Nandor was one of the more intelligent guys''

    If that were so, you would think he would have had the smarts to hold on to his position within the Greens?

    Hes not there anymore because he looks like a retired Morris Dancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    Gareth Hughes

    Parekura Horomia

    Paula Bennett
    So you know what they were earning before becoming MP's?

    How much?

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    Bennett was a 'recruitment consultant' for McCully prior to her being a list MP. I doubt whether that paid $20k, if anything

    Could be wrong about Horomia - some research suggests he had multiple income streams (from primarily Maori consultancy work) prior to beating Derek Fox in 1999. You don't get that big by eating pot noodles on a poverty wage.

    Hughes worked for Greenpeace prior to being a list MP - again I doubt the pay was more than subsidence at that employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    Bennett was a 'recruitment consultant' for McCully prior to her being a list MP. I doubt whether that paid $20k, if anything

    Could be wrong about Horomia - some research suggests he had multiple income streams (from primarily Maori consultancy work) prior to beating Derek Fox in 1999. You don't get that big by eating pot noodles on a poverty wage.

    Hughes worked for Greenpeace prior to being a list MP - again I doubt the pay was more than subsidence at that employment.

    He said:

    Sorry, for most of them, this is 3-5x as much money as they would be earning in a real job.
    (my emphasis)

    I still don't see any proof of even one earning 5x.

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    I've lost you now. Bennet is earning a minimum of $134000, plus various allowances - possibly up to $40k worth. Even at $150k surely she is earning close to 5x what she was earning before she was an MP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty View Post
    I've lost you now. Bennet is earning a minimum of $134000, plus various allowances - possibly up to $40k worth. Even at $150k surely she is earning close to 5x what she was earning before she was an MP?
    Are you saying she was only paid 30k in her previous job?
    What was it?

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    dunno. I'll play your silly game - what was it?

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