Destiny Church gets $860,000

**Winston001** · 8th June 2011, 22:35

I'm not bothered. The very little I know about the Destiny Church comes from media headlines which I don't trust to give a balanced view.

I have no doubt Bishop Brian enjoys his influence and fame. That doesn't mean the ordinary people in the church are bad or stupid or evil. Those involved in the youth programs will be doing what they believe in their hearts to be best.

Even the govts "boot camp" experiment last year hasn't worked with 60% reoffending. Destiny are worth a try.

**jaffaonajappa** · 8th June 2011, 22:49

Originally Posted by Winston001

Even the govts "boot camp" experiment last year hasn't worked with 60% reoffending. Destiny are worth a try.

Buuuuut, The boot camp thing was aimed at the guys who were least likely to stop further offending, and some borderline cases. The stats for this boot camp thing are still under review - I hear its hard to benchmark this.!

And I am not saying other youth development courses and etc arent also targeting at risk youth. Just saying - dont beleive the boot camp numbers till more analysis.

**Scouse** · 8th June 2011, 22:56

Looks to me like Paula Bennet has got the poor old tax payer to sort her tythe (sp) to the church for the next six months

**Winston001** · 8th June 2011, 23:52

Must say I've always thought the boot camp was an excellent idea. From people I've known who joined the Army and saw the transformation in guys from awful backgrounds, the experience is positive.

However a 6 week course isn't enough to establish new habits and self-respect.

Also international research suggests boot camps don't work and I would assume that is because they don't last long enough. If the kids go back home to abuse, alcohol, and drugs, its tough for them to change.

**jasonu** · 9th June 2011, 03:44

Who the hell voted for the morons who are dishing out these tax dollars? IMO, these are the ones responsible for this stupidity.

**Motig** · 9th June 2011, 08:06

According to news reports earlier in the week Brian will tell his followers how to vote. In the herald this morning an article about the money says Destiny is not happy cos there not making money out of the scheme.

**Toaster** · 9th June 2011, 08:08

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

I have seen some of the good work the Sallies have done (not Destiny).

And that is the key point, the Salvation Army like many other organisations do good real practical work in the community. So do Lions, Rotary, Freemasons, other church groups, community groups and individuals.

Doing good work/helping others out - that is something all of us can do better. Imagine how much better our neighbourhoods would be if we all helped each other out more than we currently do.

All Destiny leaders seem to do is line their own pockets.

**Swoop** · 9th June 2011, 08:11

I think this is an excellent decision.
If the destiny cult are permitted taxpayer dollars, then this means that their entire operation can now start paying taxes to the government.

Fair is fair.

**shrub** · 9th June 2011, 08:14

If you read the bible, especially the new testament, believers are exhorted to "love your neighbour as yourself" and to provide for the social needs of the community it operates in - good examples are the Sallies, Presbytarian Support etc. The bible is quite clear that the tithe is not to make the priests rich, but to fill the storehouse and before the welfare state the church WAS the welfare state.

If Bishop Brian and his mates said "don't stress about tithing because part of your tax covers most of what your tithes are supposed to do" I'd be pretty relaxed about this, but he doesn't. His 8000 followers tithe - and some double and even treble tithe - and as a result Destiny has a huge income. So why do you and I have to add to that income so they can do what Christ told them to do without having to dip into the Bish's boat or new Harley fund.

And I won't even bring up the fact that Christ only mentioned tithing once and even then in criticising the tithers for not having their priorities right, but then selectivity is fundamental to christian doctrine.

**scissorhands** · 9th June 2011, 08:27

The Tamaki brothers are pretty awesome eh!

Its like they are honkies on the inside! chuur.... must be because uncle Sam and god are on our side now eh?

**ynot slow** · 9th June 2011, 08:38

God works in mysterious ways,never a truer sentance spoken.

**jaffaonajappa** · 9th June 2011, 08:38

Originally Posted by Winston001

Must say I've always thought the boot camp was an excellent idea. From people I've known who joined the Army and saw the transformation in guys from awful backgrounds, the experience is positive.

Yup. Ive seen the same.......still keep in touch with most the people from my LSV 'boot camp' from 1992. Over half of us just were not aware that life could be good, or that effort was required to make it good. 3/24 went to prison afterwards, 21/24 managed a clean life. Well...a life, heheh. Majority of that 21 believe they would have done prison time if they hadnt experienced the LSV boot camp.

**Paul in NZ** · 9th June 2011, 08:44

Originally Posted by Scouse

Looks to me like Paula Bennet has got the poor old tax payer to sort her tythe (sp) to the church for the next six months

Is she a member of destiny?

**jim.cox** · 9th June 2011, 10:49

Originally Posted by ynot slow

God works in mysterious ways,never a truer sentance spoken.

Bollocks - God does not exist

**Woodman** · 9th June 2011, 10:57

Originally Posted by Swoop

I think this is an excellent decision.
If the destiny cult are permitted taxpayer dollars, then this means that their entire operation can now start paying taxes to the government.

Fair is fair.

Do they not pay tax now????