Burglar VS Gentle Giant: 15yrs old & stood his ground!

[tigertim20]

The right of self-defence is rather murky in law, and the right of property defence even murkier. The police will no doubt put it before the courts, so this kid will be put through the legal wringer.

And he should be - stabbing a burglar is a step too far.

spot on for the first part, but i reserve judgement on the last sentence. Too many details are unknown to us, and the media cant always be trusted to supply accurate information. Did the kid take the knife from the house and THEN go to the shed? did he ringthe police before going to investigate?, was the weapon grabbed in a scuffle? wayyy too many questions unanswered.

One thing I can understand though, is that they had apparentlybeen robbed recently as well.

I was subject to a home invasion while I was homea while ago, and I bashed the cunt half to death, (no charges laid against me) and after that, it took a long while before i got a decent sleep again.
There are still times i hear odd noises in the night, and go charging outside with the nearest weapon in case some cunt is on my property. When you dont feel safe in your own home, its a hell of a thing. fight or flight does kick in when your head has been fucked with like that. im an angry cunt,so I fight.

Virago, you asked about how we would feel if our younguns got shot for stealing a moro bar earlier. Well this kid is only 15, he was probably scared and trying to protect his property, he might not have done the right thing, but given the circumstances, do you really think that him having a conviction for assault with a deadly weapon/grievous bodily harm is really the best outcome?

Maybe a smack on the hand and no charges for the kid, and a low penalty for the burglar (since his crime already cost him stab wounds) would be a good outcome.

[tigertim20]

forgot to add, Ihave heard the police have employed a fewlawyers to supply them with a legal opinion. That means they have paid asked independent lawyers to investigate similar crimes, and estimate the likely success or failure of charging the kid. That says to me that they feel like maybe they SHOULD charge him,but dont necessarily WANT to.

[Spearfish]

I guess its the education systems fault for not teaching 15 year old kids how to restrain people with the absolute minimum of force, not be over come by fight or flight responses and to use the preferred method out west which is to dial 111 talk to police coms, get told there are no units available, stay on the line and describe calmly and accurately blow by blow how the offender is beating the crap out of your father. Surly the com operators regular "aha's" and the occasional "please speak slower cause I cant type that fast" would have been reassurance enough?

[scumdog]

There are still times i hear odd noises in the night, and go charging outside with the nearest weapon in case some cunt is on my property.

Me too Tim.

After I chased that fuckwit loser when I was naked a while back I never was troubled by prowlers agin. (so far) but still didn't sleep well.

But it was lucky that the first thing I grabbed was a diving torch, had it been a length of lead pipe (or heaven forbid, one of my many firearms) it might have been a different story.

Have you any idea how hard it is to find an empty offal pit during the hours of darkness?

[flyingcrocodile46]

forgot to add, Ihave heard the police have employed a fewlawyers to supply them with a legal opinion. That means they have paid asked independent lawyers to investigate similar crimes, and estimate the likely success or failure of charging the kid. That says to me that they feel like maybe they SHOULD charge him,but dont necessarily WANT to.

I agree. They are probably looking for precedents that they can cite in justification for not wasting resources and money in expending every conceivable effort to elevate the thieving scums human rights and his status within the lowlife community. Instead of treating the real victims to the same level of pandering by the bleeding heart .

[mashman]

heard about this a while ago in the UK (good result alround imho ). On 3 September 2008, during Ramadan, Mr. and Mrs. Hussain, their two sons and daughter Arooj, returned home to their house in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England, from their mosque, when they were confronted and tied up by three masked intruders

[JimO]

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Have you any idea how hard it is to find an empty offal pit during the hours of darkness?

i know where there is one

[tri boy]

Got a mate in Anaheim who shot a burglar trying to steal his lawn mower.
Reckons he has no problem shooting cans,

Mexicans,
Puetoricans,
any other theiving cans.

[Deano]

Stabbed him in the back 3 times ? The kid is fooked.

Doesn't he know that only the cops get away with rough justice ?

[Hitcher]

Seeing that lots of other people are jumping to extravagant conclusions in the absence of facts, then so too shall I.

Given that Mr McVicar is silent on this case, we should assume that the stabber is white and the stabbee is "ethnic". If the race roles had been reversed I am sure that the "Sensible" Sentencing Trust would be having a lot to say on the matter.

[Murray]

Seeing that lots of other people are jumping to extravagant conclusions in the absence of facts, then so too shall I.

Given that Mr McVicar is silent on this case, we should assume that the stabber is white and the stabbee is "ethnic". If the race roles had been reversed I am sure that the "Sensible" Sentencing Trust would be having a lot to say on the matter.

Jump to conclusions - absence of facts??? Dig a bit deeper before you start jumping to conclusions

From the first report Herald Friday morning.

"Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesman Garth McVicar last night applauded the 15-year-old's actions.

"I couldn't think of a more ridiculous situation," he said. "We should be giving the 15-year-old a medal.

"That's the message we need to send to all burglars."

Mr McVicar said that if the boy was charged, he would be at court to support him.

"Every person in this country should have the right to defend their castle, defend their family and defend their loved ones."

Doesn't sound like being silent to me!!!

[Hitcher]

Doesn't sound like being silent to me!!!

So it must be official then. White stabber, tinted stabbee.

[James Deuce]

I'm just waiting for the first case of an employer stabbing an employee for stealing pens to see how that goes in the court of public opinion. There's no degrees of theft. Theoretically the employee "deserves" it just as much as a home invader. The employer's property has both been violated and stolen.

I have no doubt that the KB kangaroo court would be celebrating the employer's "well deserved" jail sentence.

[short-circuit]

I'm just waiting for the first case of an employer stabbing an employee for stealing pens .....

I have no doubt that the KB kangaroo court would be celebrating the employer's "well deserved" jail sentence.

Nah the ususal toss pots will be suggesting the employer should have raped her for good measure - she was probably asking for it.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm just waiting for the first case of an employer stabbing an employee for stealing pens to see how that goes in the court of public opinion. There's no degrees of theft. Theoretically the employee "deserves" it just as much as a home invader. The employer's property has both been violated and stolen.

I have no doubt that the KB kangaroo court would be celebrating the employer's "well deserved" jail sentence.

While you are critiquing people's entirely natural and somewhat heartening attitude towards an event that saw someone forcefully standing up to a low life piece of shit criminal who was invading his home to steal from him, how about you tell us what your thoughts are as to whether ACC should pay out compensation to, and health care bills for these fucking scum when they are injured in the course of committing crimes