Fucking looters and yobbos and rent-a-mob in London

[racefactory]

I believe NZ faces this shit in the future with the untold demographic problems given rise to from Working For Familes/DPB and the unscrupulous breeding inherent with it.

[jonbuoy]

Nope... is that supposed to matter? Or can I just accept that there are unruly kids (even here in NZ )? Good on your kids and their friends, they sound delightful.

Unruly is one thing, these kids were something else.

[Edbear]

Unruly is one thing, these kids were something else.

I agree, unruly is bad, but these people, of all ages, involved in the rioting were louts and thugs of the worst order. No conscience and an IQ that must be barely readable!

Listen to the parents, and you can see why the kids are so stupid, too.

[FJRider]

What's with the poverty stricken youth ... that are taking part in the riots ... all (most) communicating with Ipods and Blackberries ... ??? how can those hard done by kids afford those ... ???

Or did they "pick them up" in the last riot ... ???

[jazfender]

And who votes for them?

The great unwashed?

It's not all on us though, when I'm voting for a candidate I'm not thinking about whether or not they might be on holiday during a crisis and then proceed to ignore the social causes and go about implementing totalitarian tactics to cover their embarrassment and further their selfish conservative agenda.

At least not when I'm straight.

[RDJ]

I believe NZ faces this in the future with the untold demographic problems given rise to from Working For Familes/DPB and the unscrupulous breeding inherent with it.

Yea, verily. Give people free stuff and they want more of it. As someone else said, give a man a fish and he'll riot for more fish.

And to call people with trainers, blackberries, mobile phones, et cetera - who clearly have power laid to fire up their looted plasma TV - as part of a poverty stricken underclass is laughable.

[mashman]

Unruly is one thing, these kids were something else.

aye... and they get better at it with age. TV cameras are like red rags to bulls for kids/some. Get their 15 seconds etc... and something to laugh about later with their mates. Can't say I'd have been too different

[Usarka]

I reckon the UK's getting close to implementing breeding policies.

About bloody time too.

[Fatt Max]

Ok, for what it is worth this is my $0.10 on this.

I have been in London throughout thw rioting, we are staying about 2kms away from one of the worst hit areas. I am seeing droves of police and Specials' out on the streets and also am heartened by the number of normal people helping to clear up the mess that these bastards have caused.

The post mortem as to why this all happened is well under way, the social do gooder's and PC brigade are in full swing as are the human rights activists who believe you should not be punished for your crimes....

and that is what this is about....crime, criminals engaging in criminal activity. Fuck all to do with protesting, economic conditions, the rule of the rich ro whatever. It is simply two bob criminals committing crime, ie robbing, vandalism, assault, arson and looting to name a few.

and why are they doing it? Simple, cos the namby pamby justice system does not make them responsible for their actions and negates any feeling of consequence for actions.

The PC riddled wankers that control a certain amount of social thought in NZ had better sit up and look at what a system of tolerence and rehabilitation can do if not held in check. I believe that NZ is a long way from where London and other cities are at now but if these idiots insist on letting criminals )ie, those that commit crime) get away with it, you WILL see shit like this happening on the streets of God's Own.

My 6 year old son saw the flames billowing out of a burning building in North London, I do NOT want him to see the same in NZ.

It is up to all of us as parents, guardians, citizens and New Zealanders to make sure the ethic of responsibility and consequence is entrenched in all our people, regardless of what they perceive to have or not have. We must then ensure our government and judicial system make criminals PAY for their actions.

I do not subscribe to the excuse that there are poor social conditions, thats a cop out, thats why these fuckers do what they do and thats why they were getting away with it.

Not in NZ my lovelies, not here

Rant over, cant wait to get back home and go for a long ride

Stay safe xxxx

[slowpoke]

All the war stories from folks on here of forging a comfy life from nowt but string and used baked bean tins doesn't detract from the circumstances over there. For example, in Tottenham there are basically 40 unemployed people for every 1 advertised job. We're talking working age young people who have never seen their parents with a job, let alone had one themselves. More than 50% of the dwellings are flats (housing estates) etc etc. So basically you jam them in as tight as you can, give them little chance of earning anything more than a subsistence wage, give them nothing to do and nowhere to do it, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then add a heavy police presence to clamp down on the inevitable trouble ( a black kid is 7 times more likely to be stopped/searched than a white kid). Throw in cuts to welfare and jobs programs while the wealthy are getting wealthier and that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

And I can't get over some of the minutae folks get hung up on: So they've got a Blackberry. Here we are in the 21st century, in one of the most advanced cities and socities of the world and access to telecommunications is considered unbridled luxury. Have you tried getting a Telecom account recently? I did it a coupla weeks ago, swapping over from expensive pre-pay to cheaper post-pay on a Mobile T-Stick.....fuck me, what a pain in the klacker "Do you have a fixed address?", "Are you employed?", "How long have you been employed?" "That should be fine sir, and effective next week (with the unsaid: while we check your credit rating)" lurking in the background. So good luck trying to get such a basic amenity if you're coming from a multi-generational unememployed family.

And Yoorup is not NZ, they don't have the sky high telecommunications costs that we do. Phones are cheap, and with the "Blackberry Network" plans worth pennies provide talk-time/texts/data we can only dream of. So despite your pre-conceived cushy NZ experience a Blackberry does not equal wealth, it is the only way to access a basic service for many of those people, and it doesn't cost the earth.

I'm buggered if I know how people can actually be suprised by what has happened, as the indicators have been screaming trouble is coming, if not already here, for years, if not decades. From a year ago: http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk...t_generation_/

From 20 years ago: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/lip_chapt...ic_context.pdf

And a history of rioting in Tottenham going back 30 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ing?intcmp=239

And now we have Cameron (and half the people on here) spruiking that all is well in his fair country, the kids just need a smack. Good luck with that: it didn't work for Thatcher, or the 30 years of politicians since, and it isn't going to fix anything now.

[Brian d marge]

All the war stories from folks on here of forging a comfy life from nowt but string and used baked bean tins doesn't detract from the circumstances over there. For example, in Tottenham there are basically 40 unemployed people for every 1 advertised job. We're talking working age young people who have never seen their parents with a job, let alone had one themselves. More than 50% of the dwellings are flats (housing estates) etc etc. So basically you jam them in as tight as you can, give them little chance of earning anything more than a subsistence wage, give them nothing to do and nowhere to do it, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then add a heavy police presence to clamp down on the inevitable trouble ( a black kid is 7 times more likely to be stopped/searched than a white kid). Throw in cuts to welfare and jobs programs while the wealthy are getting wealthier and that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

And I can't get over some of the minutae folks get hung up on: So they've got a Blackberry. Here we are in the 21st century, in one of the most advanced cities and socities of the world and access to telecommunications is considered unbridled luxury. Have you tried getting a Telecom account recently? I did it a coupla weeks ago, swapping over from expensive pre-pay to cheaper post-pay on a Mobile T-Stick.....fuck me, what a pain in the klacker "Do you have a fixed address?", "Are you employed?", "How long have you been employed?" "That should be fine sir, and effective next week (with the unsaid: while we check your credit rating)" lurking in the background. So good luck trying to get such a basic amenity if you're coming from a multi-generational unememployed family.

And Yoorup is not NZ, they don't have the sky high telecommunications costs that we do. Phones are cheap, and with the "Blackberry Network" plans worth pennies provide talk-time/texts/data we can only dream of. So despite your pre-conceived cushy NZ experience a Blackberry does not equal wealth, it is the only way to access a basic service for many of those people, and it doesn't cost the earth.

I'm buggered if I know how people can actually be suprised by what has happened, as the indicators have been screaming trouble is coming, if not already here, for years, if not decades. From a year ago: http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk...t_generation_/

From 20 years ago: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/lip_chapt...ic_context.pdf

And a history of rioting in Tottenham going back 30 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ing?intcmp=239

And now we have Cameron (and half the people on here) spruiking that all is well in his fair country, the kids just need a smack. Good luck with that: it didn't work for Thatcher, or the 30 years of politicians since, and it isn't going to fix anything now.

Mate lived and squatted in Stokie and Camden ..for how many years , I was the brown door specialist ,....I'm glad SOMEONE posted something of sense .

Couldnt get out of the place fast enough, Fk me I was a a few kilometers from st Marys Axe ..1.5 ish odd and that didn't even get me out of bed ,,,

Fk em burn the whole shitting place down , ONE DAY SOMEONE will REALIZE IT IS HAPPENING in a TOWN NEAR YOU

and one of the reasons ' '(which a few retards haven't cotton onto , still thinking that the New right will do em proud ,,,and business is the only way forward .......) that I rail so much against American economics

THIS IS THE RESULT .......it ( baaaa) may happen in south Auckland ,,,not holding breath ,,,but the feeling will be the same and the crime will be the same

Say no to big business and the corporates , say NO to lassie faire Say NO to government speak ,,,and go next door with a dozen beers and say HI ,,,,,,,,

it will work trust me

Stephen

the problem will be , with your white protestant males who are to stuck up their own arse to see out side of it .........Ma grandpappy voted for the National socialist and buy gum So shall I ,,,, green , that ain't a party thats a color that is ,........

[jonbuoy]

And they couldn´t have made a peaceful protest like the thousands of Spanish protesters that marched on Madrid because?

[Indiana_Jones]

And they couldn´t have made a peaceful protest like the thousands of Spanish protesters that marched on Madrid because?

Because it wasn't a protest, just mindless yobbos thinking they're hard by throwing a brick through some poor bastards business.

-Indy

[Robert Taylor]

All the war stories from folks on here of forging a comfy life from nowt but string and used baked bean tins doesn't detract from the circumstances over there. For example, in Tottenham there are basically 40 unemployed people for every 1 advertised job. We're talking working age young people who have never seen their parents with a job, let alone had one themselves. More than 50% of the dwellings are flats (housing estates) etc etc. So basically you jam them in as tight as you can, give them little chance of earning anything more than a subsistence wage, give them nothing to do and nowhere to do it, in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then add a heavy police presence to clamp down on the inevitable trouble ( a black kid is 7 times more likely to be stopped/searched than a white kid). Throw in cuts to welfare and jobs programs while the wealthy are getting wealthier and that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me

And I can't get over some of the minutae folks get hung up on: So they've got a Blackberry. Here we are in the 21st century, in one of the most advanced cities and socities of the world and access to telecommunications is considered unbridled luxury. Have you tried getting a Telecom account recently? I did it a coupla weeks ago, swapping over from expensive pre-pay to cheaper post-pay on a Mobile T-Stick.....fuck me, what a pain in the klacker "Do you have a fixed address?", "Are you employed?", "How long have you been employed?" "That should be fine sir, and effective next week (with the unsaid: while we check your credit rating)" lurking in the background. So good luck trying to get such a basic amenity if you're coming from a multi-generational unememployed family.

And Yoorup is not NZ, they don't have the sky high telecommunications costs that we do. Phones are cheap, and with the "Blackberry Network" plans worth pennies provide talk-time/texts/data we can only dream of. So despite your pre-conceived cushy NZ experience a Blackberry does not equal wealth, it is the only way to access a basic service for many of those people, and it doesn't cost the earth.

I'm buggered if I know how people can actually be suprised by what has happened, as the indicators have been screaming trouble is coming, if not already here, for years, if not decades. From a year ago: http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk...t_generation_/

From 20 years ago: http://www.haringey.gov.uk/lip_chapt...ic_context.pdf

And a history of rioting in Tottenham going back 30 years: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ing?intcmp=239

And now we have Cameron (and half the people on here) spruiking that all is well in his fair country, the kids just need a smack. Good luck with that: it didn't work for Thatcher, or the 30 years of politicians since, and it isn't going to fix anything now.

I dont envy David Camerons job for one second as he has inherited a practically unfixable basket case. What I always remember is turning up in the UK in the winter of 81, 3 and a half million unemployed and dear old Maggie grappling to drag the country back on its feet after a disastrous Labour administration and unions holding the Governments of the day to ransom. In many respects she succeeded, only for it all to be squandered by Tony Blair and above all that idiot Gordon Brown.
After arriving I was able to get a job straightaway which I then held down for the next 4 years. Sure I had skills but also I was prepared to work and work very hard. I think most societies reward hard work? To be brutal most of the poms that I worked with were useless,very adept at moaning and with no more aspiration than collecting their weekly wage and going to the pub. Maybe most of the good ones have left?
I do have some empathy with what you say Slowpoke as I have seen a lot of what you describe firsthand, but its not only about Governments.
Having said that if I lived and worked in the UK Id have no hesitation in voting for David Cameron and hopefully next election they will elect a Tory Government that wont need those wet Liberals.

[scumdog]

Couldnt get out of the place fast enough,
.

Sorta what I thought about this rioting rabble - if they're that hard done-by and so poor why the fuck do they stay there??


Do they like being down-trodden and poor or something?

I mean, if life in a place sucks that much what are you doing there...