Rossi the moaner!

[Crasherfromwayback]

, that doesnt explain why none of the dukes are doing well now.

Blamingit on the rider is a pretty questionable call, considering the total gp wins the guy has.

Really youll only answer the question by putting both guys on the same bike, a bike neither of them have ridden before, on a track neither of them have been to before. That would be interesting.

Firstly...it kinda does. No single rider has been able to be agressive enough from the outlap as Stoner was...to get enough heat into the tyres on the Ducati to make it work. Obviosly takes a huge amount of skill AND balls to do so with the beast. One ingredient is maybe missing.

Next. Total GP wins? You mean like who has the most between Rossi and Stoner since Stoner finally got a factory bike? Easy. Stoner hands down.

Next. Putting both on a bike neither of them has ridden before to see who goes best? Like at Valencia end of last season? Where Rossi got on a bike Soner had been winning on...and Stoner got on the Honda that'd won fuck all...and Stoner first time out wasted everyone...and Rossi was nearly last? Not the same bikes I know...but same for both of them if you follow.

Next. Oh yeah...there is no more next.

Do you not remember when Stoner first rode the 800cc Honde after last years last Gp He was fast enough that he would have won the race.
He is the most talented guy out there at the mo

They're blind mate.

and crashed in every sec race

Wouldn't have the best race/win ratio of the 800cc era if you were correct. But you're obviously not. Stick to train spotting.

Wasnt stoner onthe duck for four years? 07 08 09 and 2010? and only won the title once out of four years? his win on the duck was 2007, so the duck has not been a championship winning package since 2007. hardly the fault of a rider new to the bike
That rossi isnt going to win in his first year on it doesnt really mean a lot.

So how many times has Honda won the championship in the 800cc era? Oh...NEVER? Yet Stoner in his first year on it is going to? Like he did FIRST time on the Ducati? Yet Rossi can't be expected to win first time out? Odd reasoning you have.

When you're at the top all the arrows are slung at you.

Must be a right cunt being Rossi, what with being used to winning year after year and putting up with people saying 'ah it's the bike', then all of a sudden when you struggle a bit and don't have a chance of winning, it becomes 'ah it's the rider'.

You mean like when Stoner won in '07' it was because the Duke was so much faster? And now that he's kicking arse on the Honda it's the same old story? Even though he hasn't been the only guy riding each of those bikes?

Yep...tough at the top.

I take a heap of flack for being such a Stoner fan...mostly by Rossi fans. But it's odd when you stack up the stats since Stoner got factory support that I'm so full of shit.

[onearmedbandit]

You mean like when Stoner won in '07' it was because the Duke was so much faster? And now that he's kicking arse on the Honda it's the same old story? Even though he hasn't been the only guy riding each of those bikes?

Yep...tough at the top.
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Yes, because the other Ducati's were at the pointy end of the grid too. Oh no, that's right, they weren't. Stoner was the only rider capable of making that thing work, most people (myself included) acknowledge that. But no one else has the same level of success on it, Rossi included. Is Stoner therefore a better rider than Rossi? On the Ducati, yes. On every other bike, who knows. Lets see how many World Championships he wins. I've got a feeling there is a few to come.

Any rider on the MotoGP grid is a riding god, period. No one on this forum currently could hope to match them. Anyone who can win a MotoGP race is something else again. String enough together with some consistency (or just consistent results) and you'll take a championship, elevating you to an even higher level. 7 championships at the premier level, to me at least, elevates you to a position where your ability is beyond doubt. But every star soon fades away.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes, because the other Ducati's were at the pointy end of the grid too. Oh no, that's right, they weren't. Stoner was the only rider capable of making that thing work, most people (myself included) acknowledge that. But no one else has the same level of success on it, Rossi included. Is Stoner therefore a better rider than Rossi? On the Ducati, yes. On every other bike, who knows. Lets see how many World Championships he wins. I've got a feeling there is a few to come.

Any rider on the MotoGP grid is a riding god, period. No one on this forum currently could hope to match them. Anyone who can win a MotoGP race is something else again. String enough together with some consistency (or just consistent results) and you'll take a championship, elevating you to an even higher level. 7 championships at the premier level, to me at least, elevates you to a position where your ability is beyond doubt. But every star soon fades away.

You're a smart man. They're all 'Gods' alright...no matter where they finish. Maybe it's the Poms on this site that hate Stoner? Cause as an Aussie...he's the closest thing we have to a champ. It is after all, the rude cunting POMS that boo him at pre race speaches...and when he's on the rostrum after winning races. Something no POM has done since the late Barry Sheene. Must irk them badly. Hell...even little old NZ has had a GP winner since the POMS.

Rossi's 7 premier titles is a statement on it's own. I don't really rate smaller titles...as as awesome as it is...it's still not the cream of the cream. Think Biaggi, Capirossi, Harada. Awesome on lil bikes...never made the transition to the big boys on a regular basis.

Doohan won five in a row. Maybe would've won at least 7 if you add in the one he was winning by a mile before he fucked himself and nearly lost a leg, and the one he was winning when he ended his lot at Jerez.

How many would Rainey have won had he not ended up in a chair?

Ago and Hailwood have more titles if you want to go by numbers. But we all know numbers don't tell the whole story.

Facts are a lil like numbers. And it's a fact that Rossi was born into GP racing and has always (like Ago and Hailwood) had THE best equipment from the time he started out in GP racing.

You'll never be able to say the same about Stoner. Instead of his parents having all the money in the world to throw at their kid...they sold everything they'd ever owned to get him where he is.

That to me makes Stoner and his family the ultimate lil Aussie battlers...and one that is typical of the anzac spirit.

I'd far rather see some tough lil come from the rough dirt tracks of back yard Australia win, than some born with a silver spoon in his mouth spoilt boy (who by the way...has cried and bitched more than the tough lil Aussie battler).

Go Stoner.

[onearmedbandit]

Good points Pete. I never knew Rossi came from wealth, I've read his autobiography and I don't recall him referring to it there. Mind you, you probably wouldn't. What Rossi did have in his favour was his fathers connections, no denying that.

I agree, Doohan could've gone on to win more championships, so could've Rainey. And what Ago's got like 17 championships to his name? But I never said Rossi was the best of all time.

[codgyoleracer]

Many of us here have been to GP's and those that comprehend all thats involved in getting too and competing at that level and fully understanding that even the person at the back getting lapped is still stinkin fast. We can only but dream to even be in that position.
But such is life only a selected few have the T A L E N T. ;-)

My TAB money still isnt lost on Lorenzo, but its lookin a little shakey......

[slowpoke]

Many of us here have been to GP's and those that comprehend all thats involved in getting too and competing at that level and fully understanding that even the person at the back getting lapped is still stinkin fast. We can only but dream to even be in that position.
But such is life only a selected few have the T A L E N T. ;-)

Too true! Is it wrong to wish I was a really really bad MotoGP rider?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good points Pete. I never knew Rossi came from wealth, . What Rossi did have in his favour was his fathers connections, no denying that.
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Not wealth as such...not like Hailwood anyway. But as you say..his old man would've opened a shitload of doors for him. Still...they would've shut pretty quick if he wasn't as good as he is!!!

Many of us here have been to GP's and those that comprehend all thats involved in getting too and competing at that level and fully understanding that even the person at the back getting lapped is still stinkin fast. We can only but dream to even be in that position.
But such is life only a selected few have the T A L E N T. ;-)

My TAB money still isnt lost on Lorenzo, but its lookin a little shakey......

Too true mate.

I wouldn't be putting any more on him though...I think it's Stoner's to lose now.

[SimJen]

there are many issues at play here.
1. The tyres this year are different, the stiffer sidewalls have changed setup considerably. There are a few more types available as at the last race that might have helped, but they are still an issue compared to previous years.
2. This years chassis is too stiff, there's a thread here about the issues with the current setup.

See this thread for some good info: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ti-MotoGP-bike

Ducati will turn it around i'm sure, they have one of the all time greatest riders along with the best Crew chief in Motogp. As long as the money keeps coming from Ducati!

[onearmedbandit]

Ducati will turn it around i'm sure, they have one of the all time greatest riders along with the best Crew chief in Motogp. As long as the money keeps coming from Ducati!

I sure hope so, would be great to see Rossi/Burgess/Ducati put it together.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I sure hope so, would be great to see Rossi/Burgess/Ducati put it together.

I reckon! I hope they get it sorted in time for Phillip Island, as Stoner and Rossi have had some awesome races there.

[Brian d marge]

the feedback from that chassis is mighty interesting.. seven (odd) different springs, with seven energy losses...
what u want is the throttle connected to the contact patch (s) ....plus the layout of the engine, high centres of rotations...
it can be made to work but there would have to be some changes..
I think the combo of JB and Rossi and more importantly the crew. can make it work ...if the factory is willing,
I hope it happens ....
Stephen

[Kornholio]

Doohan won five in a row. Maybe would've won at least 7 if you add in the one he was winning by a mile before he fucked himself and nearly lost a leg, and the one he was winning when he ended his lot at Jerez.

How many would Rainey have won had he not ended up in a chair?

That's racing :|

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's racing :|

Sure is. And having broken plenty of bones and nearly losing a foot doing it I know only too well how it goes.

[codgyoleracer]

Sure is. And having broken plenty of bones and nearly losing a foot doing it I know only too well how it goes.

I didnt know racing made you shrink in height as well ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I didnt know racing made you shrink in height as well ?

Well when I mashed my ankle it shortened it by 5mm if that counts!