Benefits

[flyingcrocodile46]

You can get sickness benefit at age 18 for being over 27 weeks pregnant, however
You can be on a sickness benefit- hardship if you're 16 and over 27 weeks.
It then becomes EMA, and at 18, DPB.
Some look on it as a career choice.
My personal opinion is if you're on DPB, sole parent, and have further kids while
You are 'single' you get no further payments for the extra kids. I'll qualify that by saying if the child's the result of rape, then obviously you should get the extra payments.

We can theorize until we're dead, but until attitudes change - the cycle will repeat
Itself.

Sterilise solo mums who are on DPB as a condition of their handouts. Save us all a fortune and prevent a generation bloated by bludgers born of bludgers.

[racefactory]

This whole thread is for the most part unnecessary. The thing people don't realize is that a long time ago people figured out that it is cheaper to give out handouts than face mass social unrest and crime.

The problem I think is not the fiscal leeching of the economy but rather the demographic problems that some of these schemes are giving rise to.

Also more importantly, this year the baby boomers are turning 65 and hordes of them are rushing for the finish line to retire. Where the fuck are we going to get the money from to pay for their benefits and existence? Come on now, dole bludgers? People just have their heads stuck in the sand.

[fuknKIWI]

it is cheaper to give out handouts than face mass social unrest and crime.

Yet we seem to have both...would the crime & unrest be worse without benefits?

This whole thread is for the most part unnecessary.

Are any threads here really necessary?

[BoristheBiter]

Also more importantly, this year the baby boomers are turning 65 and hordes of them are rushing for the finish line to retire. Where the fuck are we going to get the money from to pay for their benefits and existence? Come on now, dole bludgers? People just have their heads stuck in the sand.

Yep and most have worked for 40+ years so good luck to their retirement.
When you have worked for that long then you can comment the super schemes.

And to answer your question, easy stop all benefits to those that have not worked in full time employment for less than 5 years.
Also if you have not been in paid employment for more than 20 years you get no super.

As for the answer to what some will say is more crime then build more prisons and feed them for $1 a day, still cheaper than what we pay out now plus it creates jobs.

I'm all for giving some one a hand but not a hand out and this is what the social welfare system in this country and others in the west have become.

[mattian]

Young able bodied men should be made to work for the dole. Especially if they are straight out of high school.

[blue rider]

the solution

[racefactory]

Young able bodied men should be made to work for the dole. Especially if they are straight out of high school.

Not woman?

[mashman]

Young able bodied men should be made to work for the dole. Especially if they are straight out of high school.

ha ha ha haaaaaa... sorry, but how would you force them to work?

[BoristheBiter]

ha ha ha haaaaaa... sorry, but how would you force them to work?

gun point?

[pete376403]

Young able bodied men should be made to work for the dole. Especially if they are straight out of high school.

Great idea but, what work would you suggest for young people with no work experience? Where are these jobs?

Earlier generations used to soak up young men by starting wars with other countries which also had a surplus of youth. Who should we go to war with?

[avgas]

Great idea but, what work would you suggest for young people with no work experience? Where are these jobs?

Earlier generations used to soak up young men by starting wars with other countries which also had a surplus of youth. Who should we go to war with?

Its late at night so bear with me an my meager list.
- Dishwashing
- Bar tending
- Fruit picking
- Fruit pruning
- Hedge trimming
- Fencing
- Hole digging
- toilet cleaning
- stove cleaning
- floor cleaning
- lawn mowing
- rubbish sorting
- fence painting
- ground painting
- drain cleaning
- shower cleaning
- factory jobs
- box packing
- data entry
- car counting
- surveying
- vacuuming
- crop planting

or we could put them on a wheel and get them to generate power as they run on it.
Prob a few million other possibilities that I have not thought of.

[Smifffy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Tunnels

[oldrider]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Tunnels

Kings and Noblemen of old used to employ the multitudes "gainfully" by building motes and/or filling them in!

MOW, NZED, NZR and all the various NZ Gov't departments used to carry out a lot of "makework" to do the same thing!

The Labour government of 1984 put an end to all that when they introduced "userpays"!

[racefactory]

Its late at night so bear with me an my meager list.
- Dishwashing
- Bar tending
- Fruit picking
- Fruit pruning
- Hedge trimming
- Fencing
- Hole digging
- toilet cleaning
- stove cleaning
- floor cleaning
- lawn mowing
- rubbish sorting
- fence painting
- ground painting
- drain cleaning
- shower cleaning
- factory jobs
- box packing
- data entry
- car counting
- surveying
- vacuuming
- crop planting

or we could put them on a wheel and get them to generate power as they run on it.
Prob a few million other possibilities that I have not thought of.

There would be far too many people's jobs at stake in this scenario and it would just bring on poverty as people who otherwise would have had jobs would now be made redundant to the 'dole bludgers'. It could bring on an inescapable barrier of destitution as the 'real jobs' become too scarce and fiercely competed for.

Jobs are hard enough to find in the economic climate today; you're asking for social unrest going down that path I reckon.

...However you're definitely onto it there with the treadmill idea!

[avgas]

There would be far too many people's jobs at stake in this scenario and it would just bring on poverty as people who otherwise would have had jobs would now be made redundant to the 'dole bludgers'. It could bring on an inescapable barrier of destitution as the 'real jobs' become too scarce and fiercely competed for.

Jobs are hard enough to find in the economic climate today; you're asking for social unrest going down that path I reckon.

I call rubbish to you there.
We currently IMPORT 9000+ workers to fill these roles. If you don't believe me do some research.

Also my first "mini-job" on the end of a shovel got me a real job.

I stand by what I say, people are both stupid and lazy. They think its easier to complain about the economic climate and sit and wait for the jobs to fall on their lap. Yet I don't see a single person approaching the council, the local orchard or build site. There are millions of jobs right now that aren't getting done purely on the fact that no one has the time to advertise them.

Right now my old man is begging for some workforce help in Chch. Job pays good, but its hard work and most of the sods would rather earn quarter the money doing fuck all.

At the low end of the market the world is your oyster. The problem is like I said. Stupid lazy people have a paid alternative to working.