Don Brash: "We should decriminalise marijuana"

[Zedder]

You don't need to control anything really, just treat it the same as alcohol.
If your caught with too many plants you pay a fine (2 per household limit)(revenue)
If your caught carrying to much you get a fine (within reason)(revenue)
If your a dealer you go to jail/pay a fine (people won't need dealers as it's freely available anyway)(revenue)
Set up licenced premises to sell for medical use and café's (taxable)(revenue)
Set up a licence for growing large quantities with criminal records/background checks (taxable)(revenue)
The usual no driving and working laws with certain levels of THC in your system (revenue)
Age limit 20
Not to be used in public (the same rules as alcohol)
No advertising

Pretty simple really, alot easier than what we have already and we will all benefit.
I would prefer to see it decriminalised rather than legalised but ALCP are all we have.

Alcohol is controlled though, breweries and distilleries need to be licensed = More money for Government.

All the things you have listed are controls too.

Forget ALCP, start your own decriminalisation movement.

[Latte]

Untill you have an answer to the age old question "What's in it for me?" to the majority of the nation, then don't bother, aint gonna happen.

[Indiana_Jones]

the same could be said for any head injury, be it falling off a ladder, coming off a bike, being hit by a car etc... wonder what those stats would look like...

That's why we have insurance, namely ACC.

But hard core libs would love to ditch it and let people get their own insurance/sue etc.

I'm in the middle, as are most people I dare say. We want freedom of choice, but at the same time we don't want a free for all.

It's about finding the middle ground.

If people wanna put that shit into their bodies go for it. I don't want it though, have lived next to a half way house and have seen what it does to people.

-Indy

[DMNTD:Me]

I'll support any law that allows me to have the occasional puff in my own home but pings the dealers that are creating the worst of the cannabis 'culture' (violence/etc).

[scumdog]

Alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, and yet we sell it in supermarkets and currently advertise it in the rugby world cup to kids all over the world WTF!!!!
How many pot smokers do you know get stoned at a mates place, then go home and beat the shit out of their wives or abuse their kids? I would take a guess at ZERO!!
But that shit goes on every other weekend when alcohol is concerned.

Man makes far more harmful drugs, chemicals and poisons than nature ever could, so whats so bad about a naturally occurring weed?!

(a) Shitloads drink JD or wharever AND smoke dope and go on home to beat the missus.

Not all dope-smokers do just that - heaps also drink the evil alcohol.

(b) Oh come-on, datura, night-shade and a gajillion other 'naturally occuring weeds' are around and sure as hell ARE bad.

Are you trolling???

[Indiana_Jones]

(a) Shitloads drink JD or wharever AND smoke dope and go on home to beat the missus.

Not all dope-smokers do just that - heaps also drink the evil alcohol.

(b) Oh come-on, datura, night-shade and a gajillion other 'naturally occuring weeds' are around and sure as hell ARE bad.

Are you trolling???

I've seen people who are stoned get pretty aggro....

-Indy

[DMNTD:Me]

I've seen people who are stoned get pretty aggro....

-Indy

Lucky they weren't drinking then eh?

[Indiana_Jones]

Lucky they weren't drinking then eh?

Yea

One did get really cranky went I took his p pipe off him....

-Indy

[DMNTD:Me]

Yea

One did get really cranky went I took his p pipe off him....

-Indy

Fair cop....wasn't he sharing?

[Road kill]

I'm all for decriminalisation of cannabis, but I hate Mr Brash!
This is why I joined these guys http://www.alcp.org.nz/
I don't see why everyone is against a weed that has not directly killed a single person in human history READ HERE.
Alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, and yet we sell it in supermarkets and currently advertise it in the rugby world cup to kids all over the world WTF!!!!
How many pot smokers do you know get stoned at a mates place, then go home and beat the shit out of their wives or abuse their kids? I would take a guess at ZERO!!
But that shit goes on every other weekend when alcohol is concerned.
If you Overdose on weed you get really stoned and cant do much but sit and laugh about how wasted you are.
If you overdose on Alcohol you either die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
If you overdose on your prescription drugs from your GP you die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
P is part of a man made medication (Pseudoephedrine) that is sold openly in chemists throughout the world, but it's o.k coz it relieves hayfever and dulls the pain of colds, flu and headaches.
I'm pretty sure that drinking lots of water, eating correctly and plenty of rest will have a same if not better affect as these man made poison's.
But Ahh but who needs all that healthy shit when ya can buy some tiny pills made in a lab somewhere to mask the symptoms for 10 mins. GET REAL PEOPLE!!!
Man makes far more harmful drugs, chemicals and poisons than nature ever could, so whats so bad about a naturally occurring weed?!


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Sounds good mate,,but it's not.
I know people that smoke and abuse both their partners and their kids.
I've walked into a heavy pot smokers house 5 minites after he'd scored a 50 and had his 10 year old son ask me if I would buy him some food,,,then had to watch his old man hit the fucking roof because his kid was so rude to me,,,his words not mine.
I see a lot of pot heads and "a few" of them are just normal people that like a buzz now an then,,,but most of them are puting their weed before their familys welfare at the lest,,,and a lot of them are just burnt out fucking clowns that spend most of their time stoned an bitching about life not being fair.

Yeah alcohol use is a sick joke in this country, but the weed is just something else for the piss weak to use as a crutch,and the vultures to make a profit from.

Fucking save us from shared delusions

[Road kill]

I'm all for decriminalisation of cannabis, but I hate Mr Brash!
This is why I joined these guys http://www.alcp.org.nz/
I don't see why everyone is against a weed that has not directly killed a single person in human history READ HERE.
Alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, and yet we sell it in supermarkets and currently advertise it in the rugby world cup to kids all over the world WTF!!!!
How many pot smokers do you know get stoned at a mates place, then go home and beat the shit out of their wives or abuse their kids? I would take a guess at ZERO!!
But that shit goes on every other weekend when alcohol is concerned.
If you Overdose on weed you get really stoned and cant do much but sit and laugh about how wasted you are.
If you overdose on Alcohol you either die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
If you overdose on your prescription drugs from your GP you die or end up seriously ill in hospital.
P is part of a man made medication (Pseudoephedrine) that is sold openly in chemists throughout the world, but it's o.k coz it relieves hayfever and dulls the pain of colds, flu and headaches.
I'm pretty sure that drinking lots of water, eating correctly and plenty of rest will have a same if not better affect as these man made poison's.
But Ahh but who needs all that healthy shit when ya can buy some tiny pills made in a lab somewhere to mask the symptoms for 10 mins. GET REAL PEOPLE!!!
Man makes far more harmful drugs, chemicals and poisons than nature ever could, so whats so bad about a naturally occurring weed?!


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FTW!! VOTE ALCP
Fight the war!!!

Sounds good mate,,but it's not.
I know people that smoke and abuse both their partners and their kids.
I've walked into a heavy pot smokers house 5 minites after he'd scored a 50 and had his 10 year old son ask me if I would buy him some food,,,then had to watch his old man hit the fucking roof because his kid was so rude to me,,,his words not mine.
I see a lot of pot heads and "a few" of them are just normal people that like a buzz now an then,,,but most of them are puting their weed before their familys welfare at the lest,,,and a lot of them are just burnt out fucking clowns that spend most of their time stoned an bitching about life not being fair.

Yeah alcohol use is a sick joke in this country, but the weed is just something else for the piss weak to use as a crutch,and the vultures to make a profit from.

Fucking save us from shared delusions.

[DMNTD:Me]

Yeah alcohol use is a sick joke in this country, but the weed is just something else for the piss weak to use as a crutch,and the vultures to make a profit from.

Don't disagree on any of that. Just annoying for 'us' mere mortals that choose to have a puff than the prescribed medicines from our local GPs that have caused more damage than pot has (in my specific case).

PS...I can't stand stoners....or drunks

[Mad-V2]

(a) Shitloads drink JD or wharever AND smoke dope and go on home to beat the missus.

Not all dope-smokers do just that - heaps also drink the evil alcohol.

(b) Oh come-on, datura, night-shade and a gajillion other 'naturally occuring weeds' are around and sure as hell ARE bad.

Are you trolling???

A. Yes but I think you'll find that even if they didn't smoke that joint at the pub they still would have gone home and done the same thing if that way inclined. Take the booze out of that situation and he probably would have gone home and sat on the couch or shagged his missus.
B. Yes your right, but we are talking about cannabis.
Nature can't compete with some of the shit humans come up with, we've produced some chemicals that are capable of wiping humans from the planet entirely.
Comparing weed to Datura is like comparing beer to terps.

I still don't know what you mean by trolling.
But I do like to contribute to discussions I'm passionate about.

[Mad-V2]

Sounds good mate,,but it's not.
I know people that smoke and abuse both their partners and their kids.
I've walked into a heavy pot smokers house 5 minites after he'd scored a 50 and had his 10 year old son ask me if I would buy him some food,,,then had to watch his old man hit the fucking roof because his kid was so rude to me,,,his words not mine.
I see a lot of pot heads and "a few" of them are just normal people that like a buzz now an then,,,but most of them are puting their weed before their familys welfare at the lest,,,and a lot of them are just burnt out fucking clowns that spend most of their time stoned an bitching about life not being fair.

Yeah alcohol use is a sick joke in this country, but the weed is just something else for the piss weak to use as a crutch,and the vultures to make a profit from.

God Fucking save us from the shared delusions of fat middle class New Zealand

Fair comment but I also know people in the same situation, except they put gambling, booze and P before their family. I would say those three items there are far more damaging to society these days.

[Scuba_Steve]

A. Yes but I think you'll find that even if they didn't smoke that joint at the pub they still would have gone home and done the same thing if that way inclined. Take the booze out of that situation and he probably would have gone home and sat on the couch or shagged his missus.

See that right there (no offense) is some rose-tinted glasses, you only have that impression because that is the propaganda we're sold to try & legalize it. Just the same if they we're trying to legalize booze right now, we'd have (like the ads) mates sitting round laughing having a good time with their booze, not "once were warriors" images, they wouldn't register.
Weed has it's "once were warriors" side too and it doesn't require the addition of booze to come out, weed is capable of it on its own.

In saying that I'm not against legalizing it, I'd still like to see it legalized & taxed to shit like fags & booze