What bullshit!

[Scuba_Steve]

Ummmmm. So Motorcyclists DONT cost more to rehabilitate per accident than car drivers? They DONT have a higher ACC claim rate per capita? They're NOT more likely to die in an accident?

Sorry. In a perfectly logical society, Motorcyclists would be charged 10 times the ACC levies if even ALLOWED to operate such a dangerous means of transport.

get the fuck over yourselves and your "right to ride" and CHANGE THE STATISTICS.

Katman??? is that you???

Then in your "logical society" equestrian would pay 50 times (how much they pay again???) cyclists 30 times (again how much they pay???) & trucks should pay almost nothing right? cause they'll just crush their oposition leaving the drivers pretty much unharmed.
If you want private go get you some it is out there, ACC is by everyone for everyone we need it back how it should be not this BS privatisation model that is being built so they can sell it off to private corperations that'll then do anything they can to avoid paying out

[Ronin]

It is hard to get too excited about the news that numbers of motorcyclists on our roads are declining as a result of higher registration fees.

Latest New Zealand Transport Agency figures show the number of registered motorcycles in the Waikato has dropped by one-fifth in two years.

Registered bikes huh? So no imagination on the writers part.

Some of this – particularly related to big bikes – is probably related to hard economic times, but the other factor will be the Government's move to raise ACC levies substantially for more powerful bikes.

One rider complained to the Times that he had to sell one of his bikes because the cost of registering a bike with an engine size over 600cc has risen from $280 to $528 a year. This is as it should be.

Ministry of Transport figures show motorcyclists are 18 times more likely than other road users to be involved in an accident. While the road toll has decreased overall by 24 per cent in the last decade, the number of motorcyclists killed rose 66 per cent.

Yes well, editors who blindly believe statistics poked out by a government with a vested interest should be boiled in oil. This is as it should be. Are we over represented in accident figures? Yes, yes we are. However, we contribute a far higher portion towards our own costs than do say road cyclists, who also wear lycra. When was the last time you saw a biker wearing lycra?

The extra cost for bigger bikes is reasonable. It reflects the costs to society of owning one of these big beasts. If you crash in a small bike at lesser speed, you may have a chance of walking away. Fall off a big bike at high speed and you are likely to be maimed or die.

Right then, we shall all ride 250's then because they obviously don't go fast at all.

Perhaps in time there may be more demand for smaller bikes. Certainly, earlier this year there was a spike in purchases of scooters as the cost of petrol started to bite.

And we all know just how safe scooters are.

Threr was a lot of complaining when the ACC levy increase for motorbikes was proposed. Motorcyclists felt they were being picked on and unfairly targeted. They blamed poor car drivers for the fact that motorcyclists were being killed or hurt so often. The statistics tell a different story, of course. The figures show riders are at fault in at least 60 per cent of the accidents.

So we are 10% over budget then are we?

One sympathises with the motorbike retailers, who are finding it tough. But motorists won't lose any sleep. If you have ever been stuck in traffic and watched a motorcyclist ignoring road rules, weaving in and out of traffic, then roaring off on the wrong side of the road, you won't worry. Motorcyclists have had it easy for years. They have paid no more than other motorists, yet their high accident rate has been a drain on taxpayers. We are now seeing some accountability. If they want to keep their big bikes, that's fine, but it's fair that they pay for the privilege.

Ahhhh and here we get to the point my dear reader. Mr Pocket Protector here has been passed by a motorcycle while waiting in a cue and is quietly jealous that it is not him on the bike. I'm guessing (and since Mr Pocket Protector does, I can), That Mr Pocket Protector knows nothing about bikes or riding in general.

[The Singing Chef]

Katman...why are you logged on as WT?

, was thinking the same thing

[White trash]

Katman??? is that you???

Then in your "logical society" equestrian would pay 50 times (how much they pay again???) cyclists 30 times (again how much they pay???) & trucks should pay almost nothing right? cause they'll just crush their oposition leaving the drivers pretty much unharmed.
If you want private go get you some it is out there, ACC is by everyone for everyone we need it back how it should be not this BS privatisation model that is being built so they can sell it off to private corperations that'll then do anything they can to avoid paying out

Fuck off. Show me a thread where Steve and I see eye to eye.

Here's the thing, Blinker Boy. Cars and trucks and vans and buses and motorcycles are all registered to drive on the road. Of the accidents occurring involving these modes of transport, motorcyclists get the most fucked up. Therefore, why shouldnt they pay a higher levy?

Oh that's right, all owners of utes are now registered as commercial vehicle operators. They pay higher ACC levys. Don't see them swinging from the rafters about how hard done by they are.

Get off your vastly experienced arse, and go tutor some new riders to lessen their chances of hurting themselves and adding to the statistics.

I don't give a fucken toss about Equestrian events, less than I care about rugby in fact. The fact is, THEY'RE NOT ROAD USERS EINSTEIN! Cyclists are a bone of contention, but no drone's mentioned them yet.

[The Singing Chef]

Fuck off. Show me a thread where Steve and I see eye to eye.

Here's the thing, Blinker Boy. Cars and trucks and vans and buses and motorcycles are all registered to drive on the road. Of the accidents occurring involving these modes of transport, motorcyclists get the most fucked up. Therefore, why shouldnt they pay a higher levy?

Oh that's right, all owners of utes are now registered as commercial vehicle operators. They pay higher ACC levys. Don't see them swinging from the rafters about how hard done by they are.

Get off your vastly experienced arse, and go tutor some new riders to lessen their chances of hurting themselves and adding to the statistics.

I don't give a fucken toss about Equestrian events, less than I care about rugby in fact. The fact is, THEY'RE NOT ROAD USERS EINSTEIN! Cyclists are a bone of contention, but no drone's mentioned them yet.

What do you say to all the scooter riders who "fuck themselves up" even more due to their disregard for their skin! And how much rego do they pay? and don't bother trying to tell me that they are not included in those so called stats!!

[Scuba_Steve]

Fuck off. Show me a thread where Steve and I see eye to eye.

Here's the thing, Blinker Boy. Cars and trucks and vans and buses and motorcycles are all registered to drive on the road. Of the accidents occurring involving these modes of transport, motorcyclists get the most fucked up. Therefore, why shouldnt they pay a higher levy?

Oh that's right, all owners of utes are now registered as commercial vehicle operators. They pay higher ACC levys. Don't see them swinging from the rafters about how hard done by they are.

Get off your vastly experienced arse, and go tutor some new riders to lessen their chances of hurting themselves and adding to the statistics.

I don't give a fucken toss about Equestrian events, less than I care about rugby in fact. The fact is, THEY'RE NOT ROAD USERS EINSTEIN! Cyclists are a bone of contention, but no drone's mentioned them yet.

Firstly seems I should point out ACC covers more than just road
"equestrian" is horse riding & they can do that on the road, they have legal right to be there and apparently equestrian is the biggest cost ACC has.
If you want to pay more fine pay more I'll even take your excess money. As for me I want ACC returned to what it is ment to be, paid by all, for use by all!!!

[Ronin]

Cyclists are a bone of contention, but no drone's mentioned them yet.

.Oi, I have so

And before I get told to fuck off and all, yes we probably should pay more but at the moment they are applying rules to selected groups and not all. Get some of those lycra clad fucks to pay more. Oh, and pedestrians who throw themselves under buses.

[Deano]

.Oi, I have so

And before I get told to fuck off and all, yes we probably should pay more but at the moment they are applying rules to selected groups and not all. Get some of those lycra clad fucks to pay more. Oh, and pedestrians who throw themselves under buses.

Yes - clip the ticket on all risky activities if you want to make the system 'fair'.

Go into an emergency room on any Saturday morning and see how many rugby players are there. (Not saying some bikers need to ride safer)

Ironically, my worst injury accidents on bikes have been on the bloody small ones !

I have a bit of a muntered foot because of a pit bike crash - unregistered and 110cc !

[yachtie10]

Ummmmm. So Motorcyclists DONT cost more to rehabilitate per accident than car drivers? They DONT have a higher ACC claim rate per capita? They're NOT more likely to die in an accident?

Sorry. In a perfectly logical society, Motorcyclists would be charged 10 times the ACC levies if even ALLOWED to operate such a dangerous means of transport.

get the fuck over yourselves and your "right to ride" and CHANGE THE STATISTICS.

Show me some figures to show motorcyclists cost 10 times that of cars per accident (reported)
yes motorcyclists have more accident but they do not have 18 times more accidents

maybe motorcyclists should pay more but we are the only ones singled out. why because they can and articles like this.

the article was one sided whinge a bit like your one

[imdying]

get the fuck over yourselves and your "right to ride" and CHANGE THE STATISTICS.

Surely if they're as bad as all that, then it's impossible to change the statistics.

[Katman]

Fuck off. Show me a thread where Steve and I see eye to eye.

Don't fight it Jimmy.

[bogan]

Here's the thing, Blinker Boy. Cars and trucks and vans and buses and motorcycles are all registered to drive on the road. Of the accidents occurring involving these modes of transport, motorcyclists get the most fucked up. Therefore, why shouldn't they pay a higher levy?

I would say those doing the fucking up should pay for it, rather than the victim.

I guess it all comes down to what level of grouping we are comfortable. There is only one system that is truly user accountable/pays, and that is no compensation at all. How far along the scale do we want to be?

And theres is the road user risk deviation for each of the groups to consider too, just because we average higher KSI rates, doesn't mean I'm not safer than 95% of other road users (I know I'm probably not, but one can try). The mode of transport is quite simply a secondary factor, the primary one is the person behind the bars/wheel. That is one reason why so many of us consider huge levy discrepancies based on vehicle risk, a complete load of bollocks.

[4AGE]

Cause someone on a 250 barely scraping past while trying to overtake a truck is more safe than someone on a r1 who can overtake quickly, thus spending less time in the other lane.

[mashman]

Ummmmm. So Motorcyclists DONT cost more to rehabilitate per accident than car drivers?

No, they don't. Go take a look at the ACTUAL crash statistics. The only way to make motorcyclists seem like they have a higher accident rate is to isolate them from the rest of the road going fleet. Other than that, and from memory, car drivers cause 78% of ALL road accidents, and by default are responsible for approx 78% of ACC's costs. So no, they don't cost more per accident at all.

They DONT have a higher ACC claim rate per capita? They're NOT more likely to die in an accident?

Sorry. In a perfectly logical society, Motorcyclists would be charged 10 times the ACC levies if even ALLOWED to operate such a dangerous means of transport.

No they are not more likely to die in a road accident for exactly the same reasons as outlined above. An accident is just that, an accident, the number of accidents is finite irrespective of vehicle class... cars have by far more deaths than motorcyclists. You have to single motorcyclists out and compare them to the car population before you can get any unfavourable statistic. Oddly enough, as part of the road going fleet, motorcycles are less likely to be involved in an accident than cars are... but you don't want to hear that do you .

You're not using logic, you're using probability and a dataset skewed in favour of car drivers because of their superior numbers.

get the fuck over yourselves and your "right to ride" and CHANGE THE STATISTICS.

I just changed the statistics without thumbing the starter and by applying a simple one cap fits all... but again, you probably don't want to hear that.

[Oblivion]

Wow. I expected this right to the letter. Flame war from the get go.

Why the hell have they not made motorcycle training compulsory. Oh wait, that'll be too expensive....

Why the hell don't they man up and bite the bullet? For all we know, the cost of rehabilitated motorcyclists could be less that the cost it takes to train them better.

Basic Handling skills test. Was a piece of piss. I passed even though I had never touched a motorcycle in my life.

Licence test. Also a waste of time. Most people revise for the test then forget everything. Everything. You learn nothing from it. Most of the experience I got was from riding by myself on the back roads. I took corners slow, and came back and did them faster each time. When I made a muck up, I slowed down and increased my speed gradually. I spent 30 minutes a week doing U- turns in my front yard. I practiced emergency braking regularly.

Do other people do this? I expect not. I spent more time practicing than I did actual riding.

But, The thing that gets me is, that I shouldn't have to do all this by myself, it should be apart of the licensing system that I should learn how to do this. Then an instructor can critique how well I am doing and then I can practice by myself. Why should you have to go straight to riding without training wheels? If that means that I have to pay more $, at the end of the day I'm fine with that.

But yet they insist that we are the greater evil here. I ride responsibly. I have done nothing wrong. I will say it honestly. When I got to uni next year, I probably will have to rely on my parents to pay the rego for me. I won't be able to pay it. Not on a student budget. (Rent is more that I'll get for a Student allowance. Pile that up with a 7 day a week, 5am till 8pm course....)

It shouldn't have to be like that. But, money speaks louder that words I'm afraid.