What bullshit!

**Ronin** · 27th September 2011, 20:01

Originally Posted by bogan

So, one out of thousands, what can we chalk it up to?

Well certainly not MAG or BRONZ.

Katman is right. WT is right. Bikers need to take personal responsibility. Most of them don't.

**riffer** · 27th September 2011, 20:01

Originally Posted by Usarka

It's a losing argument. If crashes go down it'll prove to them that the higher levies work and therefore it'd make more sense to put them up again.

Except we could then hoist them with their own petard. We have Slippery Nick on record as saying he would drop the levies if the accidents went down.

ACC's own rules state this has to be so. There would need to be a complete revision of their terms of engagement for this to happen.

Even National wouldn't have the guts to do that sort of change under urgency...

**Usarka** · 27th September 2011, 20:01

Originally Posted by Ronin

Bikers need to take personal responsibility. Most of them don't.

Yeah the fuckers, it's all their fault!

**riffer** · 27th September 2011, 20:02

Originally Posted by Usarka

Yeah the fuckers, it's all their fault!

Not all their fault. But quite a lot of it is.

Every accident I have ever had I could have avoided. Can you say different yourself, if you honestly take stock?

**riffer** · 27th September 2011, 20:03

Originally Posted by Ronin

Well certainly not MAG or BRONZ.

Katman is right. WT is right. Bikers need to take personal responsibility. Most of them don't.

Seriously dude, we (BRONZ) can argue all day that bikers have the right not to crash. But we can't really do fuck all about people riding badly.

**Ronin** · 27th September 2011, 20:04

Originally Posted by Usarka

Yeah the fuckers, it's all their fault!

Fuck off. Its yours. Or that cunt over there, or the wanker that designed the road.

**Ocean1** · 27th September 2011, 20:04

Originally Posted by James Deuce

If you had even the faintest clue what sharing the road with WT was like say 5 years ago, you would be agog at the attitude change he has evidenced in the last 6 months.

Someone told him to straighten up and fly right?
I'm guessing not, people don't change because someone told them to.

Here's the deal: Give me back all the ACC related charges you've extorted over the years and I won't charge you a cent for any injury.

And I'll behave as I see fit.

**Ronin** · 27th September 2011, 20:06

Originally Posted by riffer

Seriously dude, we (BRONZ) can argue all day that bikers have the right not to crash. But we can't really do fuck all about people riding badly.

Advocacy is one thing. Education is another.

**Scuba_Steve** · 27th September 2011, 20:08

The Govt is doing their job well tho, divide & conquer

**mashman** · 27th September 2011, 20:09

Originally Posted by riffer

The point is, both Jimmy and Steve are right. The ONLY way to fight back against the pricks is by having as few accidents as is humanly possible. If we reduced the amount of MC SVAs to non-existent their argument becomes unsupportable.

And I agree with that... but you would probably have to do that over several consecutive years to affect the calculation that sets the levies and by default sets the policy. You could cut our total numbers in half (which I'd like to see) but we'd still be the higher risk for some years to come. Sorry if that seems negative, but that's the reality of it.

**Indiana_Jones** · 27th September 2011, 20:21

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

The Govt is doing their job well tho, divide & conquer

+1

If they put it up again I'd let the thought at getting rid of my bike cross my mind.

So who's insurance company has said they'd cover them if they stopped paying rego, I know some people say it's a non-issue, but which insurance company will say that outright?

-Indy