Ducati making progress?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jesus Christ, that's gotta go in the all time dumb arse posts award nominees bro.
Stoner will never measure up to Doohan, and the pair of them know it better than anyone!
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Wanna bet?I reckon Stacey will more n likely get another next year but Honda just can't help themselves and Marquez will be their new golden boy all to soon.

Staceys' meltdown is only a matter of time.Afterall an Aussie crybaby does not sell motorbikes.

Because Doohan was the only one who could win a Championship on a 500.

Since we're talking about Doohan...might as well see what he thinks on the matter...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Oct/111006c.htm

[roogazza]

Since we're talking about Doohan...might as well see what he thinks on the matter...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/Oct/111006c.htm

Thanks for that P. I'm feeling better. Rossi's not finished and Stoner needs three fantastic years to even reach Doohan's 5 titles. lol.
(i'll concede this year is his). ( Rossi 9 ! )

[Shaun]

Stoner will retire at the end of 2013

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thanks for that P. I'm feeling better. Rossi's not finished and Stoner needs three fantastic years to even reach Doohan's 5 titles. lol.
(i'll concede this year is his). ( Rossi 9 ! )

Wrong. Rossi is finished. And it must be really painfull for you looking at the Stoner vs Rossi head to head stats eh!!! Each time Stoner beats him, only adds to the misery.

[Mental Trousers]

Wrong. Rossi is finished. And it must be really painfull for you looking at the Stoner vs Rossi head to head stats eh!!! Each time Stoner beats him, only adds to the misery.

Stoner will retire at the end of 2013

That sounds far more likely than Stoner ever achieving what Rossi has

[Drew]

Wrong. Rossi is finished. And it must be really painfull for you looking at the Stoner vs Rossi head to head stats eh!!! Each time Stoner beats him, only adds to the misery.

Dont quite get your total hatred for Rossi Pete. I got sick of Moto GP being the Rossi show for so long, but the guy is a legend. And he actually had to race head to head for a lot of his wins, the Hondas being as dominant as they are this year means it's always just Stoner and Pedrosa being chased by two other Hondas.

Reading the article you put up and it looks unlikely that Stoner will be able to beat Rossi's win stats. If he's gonna be the greatest, won't he need to do that?

[roogazza]

Wrong. Rossi is finished. And it must be really painfull for you looking at the Stoner vs Rossi head to head stats eh!!! Each time Stoner beats him, only adds to the misery.

He'll be home on his aussie farm within 3yrs !

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner the little poof took how many months off with a crook stomach?

, not the buck tooth whinging friggin Ausie.

I see more hatin towards Stoner from you than from me towards Rossi mate.

That sounds far more likely than Stoner ever achieving what Rossi has

I agree, there's no way Stoner will ever beat Rossi's race win total, but that to me doesn't mean in my opinion he ain't better/faster.

. And he actually had to race head to head for a lot of his wins, .

Reading the article you put up and it looks unlikely that Stoner will be able to beat Rossi's win stats. If he's gonna be the greatest, won't he need to do that?

That's just my point mate. Head to head...Stoner has it all over Rossi ever since he's had factory bikes. And I can't quite fathom how you think Rossi is the greatest of all time is numbers are your thing. Ago has more race wins than Rossi, and always will mate. The fact that Stoner has blown Rossi race wins into the weeds from the time he's had factory equipment makes him better than Rossi as far as I'm concerned.

He'll be home on his aussie farm within 3yrs !

I agree...and with Mrs Stoner around...why wouldn't ya!!

[Metastable]

It is kinda hard to compare riders... even Stoner and Rossi.

Who is the better rider?
1 - The guy that can hop on a bike and go faster
or
2 - The guy who can develop his bike and go faster

I like both riders... actually I don't have an issue with any of them except Pedrassimo. I do not want to see him win.

Going back to Stoner vs Rossi....

Rossi may or may not be past his prime. He won championships in 125, 250, 500 and MotoGP 1000cc and 800cc, on bikes from Aprilia 2-strokes to Honda 2-strokes to Honda 1000cc 4-strokes and Yamaha 1000cc and 800cc 4-strokes.

There was a time that I didn't want to see Rossi win.... because he dominated... but I have to give him credit where it is due, the guy is a good racer and good at setting up a bike.

Now head to head battles as in on the track and dicing it out, very few guys beat Rossi. Barros managed a couple of times, Sete did it ... Biaggi probably did it, Lorenzo has and the odd other rider here or there, but I don't remember Stoner doing it too many times, but I do remember that one Laguna race.

Despite being fast on the track, Rossi has shown that he can develop a bike that other riders can ride. Stoner has never developed a bike like Rossi has, ever in top level racing.

So in my humble opinion, Rossi is the better rider, but you can argue that CURRENTLY Stoner is the fastest guy on the grid and it is a grid with some GREAT riders.

I kinda equate it to Senna vs Villenueve (Gilles), although they never raced together.... Senna was the better driver. He was methodical and fast and ruthless, similar to Rossi. Villenueve could get on anything and drive it FAST right away.... might have been a bit more mental than Stoner, but you get the idea.

[denill]

Ago summed it up nicely I think with; "But I don't think Valentino has stopped being a good rider. The rider can only contribute his opinions. Put simply, he needs a perfect bike, but Stoner doesn't."

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2011/...05agorowsi.htm

[denill]

Rossi has shown that he can develop a bike that other riders can ride.

Where the fuck have you been in 2011?

[Metastable]

Where the fuck have you been in 2011?

I didn't say he managed to develop every bike. No one except Stoner could ride that thing.... so I have to cut him a bit of slack. He did develop the RC211V, 800cc and 1000cc Yamahas.... bikes that EVERY rider who hopped on them could ride. Ya the Ducati hasn't been sorted out.

[gixerracer]

It is kinda hard to compare riders... even Stoner and Rossi.

Who is the better rider?
1 - The guy that can hop on a bike and go faster
or
2 - The guy who can develop his bike and go faster

I like both riders... actually I don't have an issue with any of them except Pedrassimo. I do not want to see him win.

Going back to Stoner vs Rossi....

Rossi may or may not be past his prime. He won championships in 125, 250, 500 and MotoGP 1000cc and 800cc, on bikes from Aprilia 2-strokes to Honda 2-strokes to Honda 1000cc 4-strokes and Yamaha 1000cc and 800cc 4-strokes.

There was a time that I didn't want to see Rossi win.... because he dominated... but I have to give him credit where it is due, the guy is a good racer and good at setting up a bike.

Now head to head battles as in on the track and dicing it out, very few guys beat Rossi. Barros managed a couple of times, Sete did it ... Biaggi probably did it, Lorenzo has and the odd other rider here or there, but I don't remember Stoner doing it too many times, but I do remember that one Laguna race.

Despite being fast on the track, Rossi has shown that he can develop a bike that other riders can ride. Stoner has never developed a bike like Rossi has, ever in top level racing.

So in my humble opinion, Rossi is the better rider, but you can argue that CURRENTLY Stoner is the fastest guy on the grid and it is a grid with some GREAT riders.

I kinda equate it to Senna vs Villenueve (Gilles), although they never raced together.... Senna was the better driver. He was methodical and fast and ruthless, similar to Rossi. Villenueve could get on anything and drive it FAST right away.... might have been a bit more mental than Stoner, but you get the idea.

Stoner has never been in a position to develope a bike??
Ducati sure as hell wouldnt listen to him but he could still win on it even tho it was a not so user friendly bike.
Now he is with HRC you watch him develope the 1000cc bike in a destroying weapon. Honda made a very good call getting that man on there bike to win there 1st 800cc title and also TO DEVELOPE the 1000

[Metastable]

I never said he can't, I said he hasn't. Of course it was a great move to get Stoner... and like I have said in the past, it's great to see a non-European giving it to the Italians and Spaniards that usually get a bit of favoritism from Dorna.

You guys make it sound like I'm a Rossi fan and not a Stoner fan, I like the guy .... I'm just anti-Pedrosa.

[denill]

I didn't say he managed to develop every bike. No one except Stoner could ride that thing.... so I have to cut him a bit of slack. He did develop the RC211V, 800cc and 1000cc Yamahas.... bikes that EVERY rider who hopped on them could ride. Ya the Ducati hasn't been sorted out.

Even after that back peddling - it's not quite fair to say Rossi developed the Hondas and the Yamaha, as a guy called Jeremy Burgess had a bit to do with that.

Neither have got even close this year with the Ducati - to everyone's surprise and disappointment - including mine.