Occupy Dunedin?

[Winston001]

What's it about? Executive salaries are a good example. Of course Sod's Law says I can't find the data but from memory in the days of Henry Ford, senior managers were paid 8x the average factory worker.

Today its possible to find examples where the pay is 300% of the average worker in that business. Thats probably extreme so just ask ourselves, is Paul Reynolds (Telecom) effort worth $5.2 million? That is paid for by every Telecom subscriber and shareholder - which probably includes you if you have any Kiwisaver.

Fair enough, pay the guy well, but $500,000 goes a long way. This is not about envy but about a rational relationship between the guy in the shop and the guy on the top floor.

[mashman]

What worries me is there are valid issues which the Wall Street protesters are raising. However the issues aren't clearly argued or laid out for the public to understand. In fact its quite likely every protester has a slightly different idea of why they are there.

Why does that worry you?

[JimO]

the guy in the shop and the guy on the top floor.

they would actually have to have a job first

[oldrider]

Why does that worry you?

Because it's a hot bed for chaos, they are all standing for a different principle than their peers, they know not what they do, or why!

Lawyers just love clients who are fighting for a principle .... the sky's the limit $$$$$$$$ .... most of them are against exactly that!

It can only grow and the civil disobedience will be limitless and in their minds, "justified" ... just like the anti springbok tour, only miles bigger!

"The meek shall inherit the earth" .... well you are witnessing the beginnings, the meek are on the warpath and the "authorities" are behaving accordingly!

What a fucking joke but as it has been written, so it shall be done!

[Indiana_Jones]

-Indy

[mashman]

Because it's a hot bed for chaos, they are all standing for a different principle than their peers, they know not what they do, or why!

Lawyers just love clients who are fighting for a principle .... the sky's the limit $$$$$$$$ .... most of them are against exactly that!

It can only grow and the civil disobedience will be limitless and in their minds, "justified" ... just like the anti springbok tour, only miles bigger!

"The meek shall inherit the earth" .... well you are witnessing the beginnings, the meek are on the warpath and the "authorities" are behaving accordingly!

What a fucking joke but as it has been written, so it shall be done!

Now you're just gettin me hard...

[Winston001]

Lawyers just love clients who are fighting for a principle .... the sky's the limit $$$$$$$$ .... most of them are against exactly that!

Oh yes John.

Although clients become strangely quiet when asked for $5k up front to support their principals... Funny that...

[JimO]

Oh yes John.

Although clients become strangely quiet when asked for $5k up front to support their principals... Funny that...

bloody lawyers eh!!!

[Indiana_Jones]

Oh yes John.

Although clients become strangely quiet when asked for $5k up front to support their principals... Funny that...

lol yep

-Indy

[mashman]

from one of the occupy sites

"Our political system should serve all of us — not just the very rich and powerful. Right now Wall Street owns Washington," said participant Beka Economopoulos. "We are the 99% and we are here to reclaim our democracy."

New York led the charge in this energizing day for the emerging movement. In the wake of billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s predawn raid of Occupy Wall Street at Liberty Square, 1:00am Tuesday morning, thousands of people throughout the five boroughs and the greater region converged to take peaceful action. Following Bloomberg’s action, the slogan “You can’t evict an idea whose time has come” became the new meme of the 99% movement overnight. The mobilization today proved that the movement is on the ascent and is capable of navigating obstacles."

Do police actually have a brain, or iz orders just orders?

[BoristheBiter]

from one of the occupy sites

"Our political system should serve all of us — not just the very rich and powerful. Right now Wall Street owns Washington," said participant Beka Economopoulos. "We are the 99% and we are here to reclaim our democracy."

New York led the charge in this energizing day for the emerging movement. In the wake of billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s predawn raid of Occupy Wall Street at Liberty Square, 1:00am Tuesday morning, thousands of people throughout the five boroughs and the greater region converged to take peaceful action. Following Bloomberg’s action, the slogan “You can’t evict an idea whose time has come” became the new meme of the 99% movement overnight. The mobilization today proved that the movement is on the ascent and is capable of navigating obstacles."

Do police actually have a brain, or iz orders just orders?

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For 1 we are not in the US.

2 the system should serve us all not just the ones the cause crime and those that can't be bothered working.

You will never convince me that what the protesters are doing is right, and as for the police, if the protesters weren't there this wouldn't happen and as they know how the police are going to react then they should just put it down to occupational hazards.

99%, yeah right only as 99% couldn't give a shit about them.

[Oscar]

"Our political system should serve all of us — not just the very rich and powerful. Right now Wall Street owns Washington," said participant Beka Economopoulos. "We are the 99% and we are here to reclaim our democracy."

What a complete load of bollox.
If they were really 99% (or any percentage larger than 5% in this country), they'd have political representation.
Instead of messing up town squares all over NZ, why aren't these fuckwits using the democratic process?
Why haven't I heard one political candidate championing their cause?

[Virago]

"We are the 99% and we are here to reclaim our democracy."...

And therein lies the hypocrisy. Who elected them to represent us? The vast majority of the "99%" would prefer that they fuck off and take their mini-dictatorships with them.

Democracy? Sez who...?

...Do police actually have a brain, or iz orders just orders?...

If a policeman tells you to move - you move. If he follows it up with warnings about what will happen if you don't comply, there is little point in whining like little babies when they follow through.

If you go face-to-face with the authorities and expect them to back down, be prepared to get your arse kicked.

[FJRider]

If you go face-to-face with the authorities and expect them to back down, be prepared to get your arse kicked.

Not always the case ... but you must know the LAW ... not just rely on your own (and a few dozen of your friend's/acquaintance's) opinion

As I understand it ... If asked by Police to leave ... it is required by New Zealand law, that you must. To refuse is an offence you can be charged for ... even if the Officer(s) are WRONG (god forbid ) to ask you to leave in the first place ... or at least don't a valid lawful reason to ask you to leave ...

[mashman]

For 1 we are not in the US.

2 the system should serve us all not just the ones the cause crime and those that can't be bothered working.

You will never convince me that what the protesters are doing is right, and as for the police, if the protesters weren't there this wouldn't happen and as they know how the police are going to react then they should just put it down to occupational hazards.

99%, yeah right only as 99% couldn't give a shit about them.

I know we're not, didn't say we were.

True.. and you kinda lost me there. The system serves criminals? erm.......

It's not up to me to convince you of anything. @ the protesters being on their own campus having a peaceful protest being enough of a justification for pepper spraying them because they won't move. That has to be one of the most fucked up statements I've seen anyone utter on this site... and following that logic, if wall street et al hadn't been doing what they have for so many years, there wouldn't be the need for the protesters... so it's still the fault of wall street et al that they're there. An occupational hazard eh... so you'd be happy if any protest was met with similar force, like an ACC protest, or public servant strikes, maybe anti child violence protests etc...?

And what complete and utter fuckin idiots those ignorant 99% are! I suppose they excuse it by denying that these social issues exist and aren't part of a failed system, but are WHOLLY the fault of each individual and just can't be bothered to get passed that thought, or don't have the mental capacity to be able to see any further.

What a complete load of bollox.
If they were really 99% (or any percentage larger than 5% in this country), they'd have political representation.
Instead of messing up town squares all over NZ, why aren't these fuckwits using the democratic process?
Why haven't I heard one political candidate championing their cause?

Sorry, all I read there was, waaaaaaaaaaa mummy they're not playing fair by following the rules... Fuckin hilarious. Tears, I have tears, messing up squares aaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa... mum, they're messing up the square too.
ha ha haaaaaaaaa, honestly, do you do this on purpose... A politician stepping up to champion anything other than the political status quo. Cheers Oscar, I needed that.

And therein lies the hypocrisy. Who elected them to represent us? The vast majority of the "99%" would prefer that they fuck off and take their mini-dictatorships with them.

Democracy? Sez who...?

Mini-dictatorships eh, is that how we're describing governing by consensus these days. I thought that was how democracy was supposed to work. You may be correct that a lot of the sheeple can't handle the confrontation, or don't see it as their problem

Well it certainly isn't a democracy any more, other than you get a chance to vote, or where police force is required to move a peaceful protest is it? According to the brains trust on here that's a socialist or communist strategy for forcing people to comply with the rules of society. Oh the irony.

If a policeman tells you to move - you move. If he follows it up with warnings about what will happen if you don't comply, there is little point in whining like little babies when they follow through.

If you go face-to-face with the authorities and expect them to back down, be prepared to get your arse kicked.

So you're with Boris then? No protest is allowed to take place where a police person tells you to move along. They are above the law and can abuse their power without question? ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... hope that fucker comes to haunt you some day. Currently I have a respect for the police, I'd hate for that to change because they became puppets and followed unreasonable orders.

That door swings both ways. Go against a peaceful mob that decides to defend itself against an unreasonable force, be prepared to get your arse kicked.