Who will win the 2011 election?

[shrub]

No intelligent answer either, eh?

The answer was as intelligent as the question.

[Robert Taylor]

I see, you haven't just been listening to Roger Douglas, you've been watching reruns of Glide Time. Mate, when Norm Kirk and Bill Rowling were in power the Kawasaki Z1 was a state of the art superbike. And NZ had one of the highest standards of living in the world.



I had no idea that the guy who did the billboard thing was the leader of a political party. He was a member of the Greens, but they kicked him out because he was a dickhead.

After 3 years in power ( the public could only stomach 3 years of them ) the living standards were appreciably less and a healthy surplus had been turned into a sizable deficit. These idiots didnt tighten the countries belts with the big hit we took with loss of export income to the UK when they lost their marbles and joined the EEC

As I understand it in excess of 700 National party billboards were targeted. So one man did ALL of that? Id lay money he had help from a whole load other of Green party activists. Now thats worthy of police investigation and prosecutions.

[shrub]

After 3 years in power ( the public could only stomach 3 years of them ) the living standards were appreciably less and a healthy surplus had been turned into a sizable deficit.

You're a little selective with your history my friend, but then having an open mind willing to look at everything objectively leads to cognitive dissonance, and that is frequently uncomfortable or leads to change (also uncomfortable). The 1973 oil crisis had an enormous impact on the global economy including NZ, Kirk died in mid term and was replaced by the competent but bland Rowling who was no match for Muldoon. Kirk also started the process of making NZ more multicultural and redressing many of the injustices Maori had experienced and he cancelled the 1973 Springbok tour. These actions turned off a huge number of Labour's traditional supporters (working class pakeha with minimal education) who moved to National because they saw Muldoon as being a strong leader.

And Muldoon damn near bankrupted NZ.

But let's talk about falling and rising government debt, shall we?

In March 1999 official government debt was $17.4 bn or 16.6% of GDP. By September 2008 Labour's economic incompetence and the bloating of the public service meant the debt had dropped slightly to $17.2bn. However our rise in GDP meant our debt was now 9.4% of GDP. John Key, the financial master that he is, had nearly doubled that debt to $31.6bn or 16.5% of GDP by Sept last year (pre quakes), and it is now nearly $41bn or 20.4% of GDP. In 3 years he has more than doubled our crown debt, yet is spending less on public services.


As for the billboard vandals (which were quite clever and very innocuous), I'm sure many of the people who did that were Green party members but the Greens had nothing to do with it. If I had been a part of that action, I am a member of the National party, so would that have meant it was a National party stunt? I am also a member of the AA, so would it have been an AA stunt?

[oneofsix]

Roll on December and this thread can die.

Yeah ok so I'm pissed that the majority will screw the smarter minority, like me, for stupid short sighted reasons.

[Robert Taylor]

You're a little selective with your history my friend, but then having an open mind willing to look at everything objectively leads to cognitive dissonance, and that is frequently uncomfortable or leads to change (also uncomfortable). The 1973 oil crisis had an enormous impact on the global economy including NZ, Kirk died in mid term and was replaced by the competent but bland Rowling who was no match for Muldoon. Kirk also started the process of making NZ more multicultural and redressing many of the injustices Maori had experienced and he cancelled the 1973 Springbok tour. These actions turned off a huge number of Labour's traditional supporters (working class pakeha with minimal education) who moved to National because they saw Muldoon as being a strong leader.

And Muldoon damn near bankrupted NZ.

But let's talk about falling and rising government debt, shall we?

In March 1999 official government debt was $17.4 bn or 16.6% of GDP. By September 2008 Labour's economic incompetence and the bloating of the public service meant the debt had dropped slightly to $17.2bn. However our rise in GDP meant our debt was now 9.4% of GDP. John Key, the financial master that he is, had nearly doubled that debt to $31.6bn or 16.5% of GDP by Sept last year (pre quakes), and it is now nearly $41bn or 20.4% of GDP. In 3 years he has more than doubled our crown debt, yet is spending less on public services.


As for the billboard vandals (which were quite clever and very innocuous), I'm sure many of the people who did that were Green party members but the Greens had nothing to do with it. If I had been a part of that action, I am a member of the National party, so would that have meant it was a National party stunt? I am also a member of the AA, so would it have been an AA stunt?

Briefly yes I agree about Muldoon and yes there was an oil crisis. But the then Government was a very poor one in how they dealt with it.

Greens had nothing to do with it? I wouldnt be so sure about that. If members did it then they are still acting for their party, effectively.

[slofox]

Just before you all vote this Saturday:

Last year there was a terrible outcry against increased rego fees due to loading up the ACC levy component.

Remember who raised those ACC levies? Or was that too long ago to count?

Just a thought...

[ducatilover]

Just before you all vote this Saturday:

Last year there was a terrible outcry against increased rego fees due to loading up the ACC levy component.

Remember who raised those ACC levies? Or was that too long ago to count?

Just a thought...

$5 says they get raised again regardless of who is in.

[Scuba_Steve]

Something I have noticed in NZ (prob elsewhere 2) everyone seems to complain about the 2 "big" parties, yet those same retards will go vote for one of them or their partner parties allowing them to get in, using the excuse "one of these parties are going to get in anyways"... we'll, yes of course they will, cause you keep voting for them put your vote elsewhere & maybee we can get someone decent in.

Me, I'm gonna vote for a "tiny" party, one who the media or Govt would have you believe didn't exist. There are a few of these "tiny" parties, I say if you really wanna make your vote count choose a "tiny" party, don't care if it's legalize cannabis, conservative, mana, NZ first, democrats, or any of the others just pick 1 you like & vote for them stop voting the overly corrupt & NZ destroying Labour/National. Kick Labour, National & their partner parties out!!!

OK rant over, not that it will change much anyways retards will still vote Labour/National just thought I'd put my rant out there in hope.

[shrub]

Briefly yes I agree about Muldoon and yes there was an oil crisis. But the then Government was a very poor one in how they dealt with it.

Finding someone to argue that Kirk et al did a good job with the economy is about as hard as finding someone who genuinely believes Key won't win on Saturday. They came in at the tail end of the most golden of golden eras and were ill prepared for the sudden shock as the world grew up. However in their favour, if their compulsory super hadn't been canned by Muldoon we would be a much wealthier country today. Probably as rich as Aussie - everyone thinks Aussie is richer than us because they have minerals. They're rich because they have over $1 trillion in savings whereas we have the Cullen fund and not a lot more.

And you're clutching at straws. Just because some (or even most) of the billboard enhancers belonged to the Greens does not mean the Green party had any involvement or even any idea. Their campaign is going very, very well and has been micro managed, so supporting something that pointless and potentially damaging makes about as much sense as Casey Stoner fitting touring panniers to his race bike.

[slofox]

$5 says they get raised again regardless of who is in.

Bloody little ray of sunshine aren'tcha! And probably bloody right at that...

[ducatilover]

Bloody little ray of sunshine aren'tcha! And probably bloody right at that...

I will be when I get my $5

I think I should start a political party.

[slofox]

I will be when I get my $5

I think I should start a political party.

Good luck with the five bucks...

Start a political party? Why not? Couldn't be any worse than most of what we have here already...just drop the ACC levies on bikes eh and you'd get my vote!

[MisterD]

Something I have noticed in NZ (prob elsewhere 2) everyone seems to complain about the 2 "big" parties, yet those same retards will go vote for one of them or their partner parties allowing them to get in, using the excuse "one of these parties are going to get in anyways"... we'll, yes of course they will, cause you keep voting for them put your vote elsewhere & maybee we can get someone decent in.

Yeah, but the thing is in most western countries 95% of people don't vote for one of the main two parties, they vote against the other one

[mashman]

$5 says they get raised again regardless of who is in.

I'll take that bet... and bet you another $5 that levies come down.

[ducatilover]

Good luck with the five bucks...

Start a political party? Why not? Couldn't be any worse than most of what we have here already...just drop the ACC levies on bikes eh and you'd get my vote!

That'd be all I plan to do, apart from keep our assets NZ owned and a mandatory Ducatilover gets a babe a week rule.

I'll take that bet... and bet you another $5 that levies come down.

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