So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[tigertim20]

If that were to happen ... and you were in HIS shoes ... would you feel safe ... ???

And quite happy to return to Turangi ... ???

haha actually, a 'not guilty' verdict in court might actually result in true justice... if you catch my drift.

[Mom]

Words fail me.

Dickheads often struggle with reality and responsibility.

As do the poor fuckers that have never stood a chance in their own lives.

I keep my pits and legs well groomed, but the regrowth is rampant and sometimes really hard to deal with!

Educate yourself a bit further. It truely is a sad and real fact of our society that we have this sort of "event", and I believe we are all responsible in part for it. The same goes for any abuse against children.

I dont know squat about the person arrested for what happened, only that he is 16 and has been raised (I hesitate to say dragged up) without the correct, acceptable values that most of us accept and expect as normal. Not his fault really, he is a product of his environment and culture.

The more we stand up on our high horses and spout about how the "Dickheads" behave the less likely we are to actually see anything change. We all need to get out there and DO SOMETHING to help.

Oh, shit, I got my soap box out again.

[DrunkenMistake]

The government has fucked up big time with criminal justice. I personally know several people who have been severely beaten by large groups of youths for no apparent reason, and the cops do fuck all about it. I used to work in a supermarket where I would often have to work late at night on Friday nights, said supermarket was right next to a big park. About once a month an innocent person would get very badly beaten and robbed by large groups of youths either in the supermarket car park or park itself, and fuck all would get done about it. The offenders might get arrested, then the courts just give them a fine and send them on their way. It's pathetic. The same little cunts would also break into peoples cars, but we all know the cops would much rather go after people with a noisy exhaust and lowered suspension.

Don't get caught doing a burnout in your car though, you'll get the car impounded for 28 days on the spot, a big fine and you'll lose your license for 6 months. Fucking bullshit.

Cunning plan you had there, make it seem like you were an innocent trolley boy, meanwhile your sending the little old ladies home via the park...

It was the same group of youths who lived in an impoverished area who would go to the park and get drunk on weekends, usually in groups of between 10-20. It's a few kms away from where I live.

There was another time that me and a group of mates got robbed where a group of guys surrounded the car and grabbed shit out of the car, they hit the car with a baseball bat as well so we called the cops who showed up a few minutes later. Cop says all the offenders are on bail at the time they committed the crime, and no arrests were even made.

So.. you sat in the car with the windows down and let the fuckers take shit..? Insurance fraud I see..
You are not related to the young fella mentioned in this thread are you?

[Hitcher]

haha actually, a 'not guilty' verdict in court might actually result in true justice... if you catch my drift.

Sadly, yes I do. Sometimes people who are found to be not guilty really are not guilty. Our society's standards demand that people are innocent until proven guilty. If they are not proven guilty, then we should presume their innocence. If evidence isn't strong enough for a conviction to be proven, then that is no excuse for vigilantes to take the law into their own hands. Hopefully the Police have a solid case to back their arrest and Court action.

[Deano]

It truely is a sad and real fact of our society that we have this sort of "event", and I believe we are all responsible in part for it. The same goes for any abuse against children.

I dont know squat about the person arrested for what happened, only that he is 16 and has been raised (I hesitate to say dragged up) without the correct, acceptable values that most of us accept and expect as normal. Not his fault really, he is a product of his environment and culture.

There are no excuses. Factors yes, but not excuses. Many people have a shit upbringing but they don't all do this shit - they know what is right from wrong. I live my life and raise my kids as I see fit - I don't know this c*nt or his family from a bar of soap. Pray tell how I am responsible in part for this outrage ?

[SMOKEU]

So.. you sat in the car with the windows down and let the fuckers take shit..? Insurance fraud I see..
You are not related to the young fella mentioned in this thread are you?

One of my mates found a chick on an online dating website who invited him to her house. Me and another 2 mates dropped him off, which is when a group of about 6 people walked out of the address and promptly surrounded the car. This is when they took shit from inside the car and started attacking it with a baseball bat as we tried to drive off. The vehicle that was attacked wasn't even insured, so I'm guessing it's hard to commit insurance fraud then.

The young fella mentioned in this thread is not related to me as the only relative I have in NZ is my mom. I'm pretty sure my mom isn't a 16 year old boy.

[jrandom]

one of my mates found a chick on an online dating website

NEK MINNiT

[Brian d marge]

As do the poor fuckers that have never stood a chance in their own lives.

I keep my pits and legs well groomed, but the regrowth is rampant and sometimes really hard to deal with!

Educate yourself a bit further. It truely is a sad and real fact of our society that we have this sort of "event", and I believe we are all responsible in part for it. The same goes for any abuse against children.

I dont know squat about the person arrested for what happened, only that he is 16 and has been raised (I hesitate to say dragged up) without the correct, acceptable values that most of us accept and expect as normal. Not his fault really, he is a product of his environment and culture.

The more we stand up on our high horses and spout about how the "Dickheads" behave the less likely we are to actually see anything change. We all need to get out there and DO SOMETHING to help.

Oh, shit, I got my soap box out again.

don't you be going and talking sence, specially here on KB ......

u is making one or two feel all warm and fuzzy down below, talking that sence and all


stephen

[tigertim20]

One of my mates found a chick on an online dating website who invited him to her house. Me and another 2 mates dropped him off, which is when a group of about 6 people walked out of the address and promptly surrounded the car. This is when they took shit from inside the car and started attacking it with a baseball bat as we tried to drive off. The vehicle that was attacked wasn't even insured, so I'm guessing it's hard to commit insurance fraud then.
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thats why you dont hire hookers off the web. You pick them up off the street, no paper trail, and no body. (if you do it right)

The young fella mentioned in this thread is not related to me as the only relative I have in NZ is my mom. I'm pretty sure my mom isn't a 16 year old boy.

Is it possible that she USED to be a 16 year old boy?

[superman]

I wonder about his upbringing...

People are always quick to want to shoot or hang someone who does disgusting acts. But a normal person growing up in a loving family doesn't do such things unless they're psychopaths/socio-paths.

The least we can do is try to fix 'em since society has already failed them, the worst thing we could do is just kill 'em.

[SMOKEU]

Is it possible that she USED to be a 16 year old boy?

Anything is possible.

[tigertim20]

I wonder about his upbringing...

People are always quick to want to shoot or hang someone who does disgusting acts. But a normal person growing up in a loving family doesn't do such things unless they're psychopaths/socio-paths.

The least we can do is try to fix 'em since society has already failed them, the worst thing we could do is just kill 'em.

have you seen what the re-offending rate is in this country, do you even know what percentage of offenders reoffend within 12 months of being released?
Its fucking high, and thats just the ones that get caught, what about those that dont?
regardless of the reason behind what he did, he CHOSE to do it.

Alot of people like to piss on about 'ohhh, but the guy never had a chance, he was brought up, it isnt his fault'
what a fucking crock of shit. A brief look through history will show a massive number of people who were brought up in low income homes, who suffered awful family lives, and abuse of many different sorts, yet came through it and worked hard, to become decent, hard working, successfull people who contributed positively to their community.
at 16 years old you are old enough to know that holding a 5 year old girl down and shoving your cock up her ass is FUCKING WRONG.

Studies over the last century have shown that neither nature, nor nurture are the sole contributors to the product we become as people. what this means is that a person with a natural tendency to be disrespectful and selfish, can be shown, through positive examples, that there is a better way to communicate with, and contribute to society.
Likewise, a person who has had a poor upbringing simply has a bad example set out, yet it is their nature that determines whether they follow this example, or think for themselves.

Ultimately, you have a decision. you CHOOSE to act, and frankly breaking into a unit, holding a FIVE YEAR OLD GIRL down, getting your dick out, and trying to forcefully sodomize an innocent child is not a spur of the moment reaction, it is a NUMBER of DECISIONS, with multiple opportunities to re-asses and change your decisions and actions. so on that note, he CHOSE to do it. fuck his upbringing, I saw people do plenty of dumb shit when I was growing up, but I chose of my own accord which of these things i did, or did not do myself.

On another note, he was actually sick enough to get turned on by it, which suggests a natural inclination towards that type of behavior in the first place.

Im a bit sick of all the excuses. it is a fallacy that the upbringing is responsible for our actions. It might be true of a 3, 4, or 5 year old, who has not had enough life experience to make their own decisions, but at 16, you are well past the point where such extreme behavior can be attributed to 'but I saw uncle Jack do it'

[HenryDorsetCase]

We do??? Where's that then???
We have a legal system not by any means a justice system & should never be confused with one.

How does it work on your planet?

Enquiring minds.

[Winston001]

Words fail me.

The fact that somebody had planned and executed this crime troubles me.

Maybe I missed something or are you assuming the planning? It sounds like an opportunist crime so far.

Apart from that we are assuming the person arrested is the offender but it could also be someone whom the police believe helped the offender afterwards, or destroyed evidence etc.

[SMOKEU]

I really don't like this whole culture of diminished responsibility. Eg, "it wasn't his fault he robbed a petrol station and hacked up the store clerk with a machete, it's because he was abused as a child", or "it's not his fault he beat someone up when he was drunk, it's because there are too many liquor stores around and alcohol is too cheap", or "it's not his fault he killed an innocent person, it's because young people should not be allowed to drive fast cars".

Why can't we hold individuals responsible for their actions? It's peoples choice to do stupid shit, and if they're prepared to do shit like that, they should be prepared to suffer the consequences.

The government is so hell bent on turning ordinary people into criminals (how much police and court time is wasted by people who get busted smoking a bit of dope?) or people who exceed speed limits on a quiet country side road (it's a big difference to speed on a quiet country side road compared to in front of a primary school during school hours or a basket of cute puppies).

The government needs to get their priorities right.