Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[scumdog]

Yet to meet a ciggy smoker that is pissed off that they didn't start smoking earlier in life...

[scissorhands]

Its all self medicating

90% of the 'tards at 'occupy', 90% of the daktavists, all smoke ciggys

It pushes resentments and anger back down to the solar plexis, the gut

Plus you die young so the gubbermint doesnt have to pay your super or pension for very long

[ducatilover]

My post is to highlight the consequences and to ask, (plead?), with those who smoke to weigh up carefully and seriously the ramifications.

Ed mate, I like fast bikes. Chances are they'll get me first.
I know what you're saying, but I will continue to do as I please if I was worried about the possibility of dying I'd live in a box.

[Madness]

One other thing I do pass judgement on is the manufacturers who come under the definition of murderers selling a product they know will kill at least half of their customers and cause suffering to all in one way or another yet they couldn't care less about you as long ad they make money.

It's worse than that. It's no longer about money, it's all about market share. DAMHIK.

[Edbear]

Ed mate, I like fast bikes. Chances are they'll get me first.
I know what you're saying, but I will continue to do as I please if I was worried about the possibility of dying I'd live in a box.

We all have different perspectives of the amount of risk we are willing to take for our enjoyment. I know that falling off a bike is going to hurt, yet I love bikes and riding them. I won't do skydiving or bungy jumping though, and the reason I never made it as a winner in most sports was that while I ejoyed them, especially tennis and badminton, I don't have the killer instinct, that final ounce of whatever it took to win every time. I enjoyed being good at what I did and in knowing I could win, but I preferred to play the game for the enjoyment of it and was just as pleased, if not more so, when my opponent had a good game and won.

That's also why I would never have made a great motorcycle racer, I always pulled back at the edge and didn't push the limits, so I would have always been an also-ran.

Smoking, though, I put into a different category altogether as is it literally Russian Roulette with your life and health. The cigarettes are addictive for the reason that the manufacturers deliberately make it addictive in order to keep you in their pockets regardless of any consequences to your health and life. It is my anger at them that makes me doggedly opposed to smoking, (along with the health effects), as I would never see any company profit from a product that they know full well leads to the suffering and death of their customers nor support them in any way that condones their murderous intent.

Of course it is your choice and it is not my place to tell you not to do anything, and all will do what they wish, it is everyone's innate right.

Knowing what smoking cigarettes does, including causing the very nervous conditions people claim they help calm down, (with prescription pain-killer addiction, it is called "rebound" when the pain-killers cause the very pain you are taking them for), I just feel sad.

I do know first-hand what drug addiction is and I went through a living hell to get off them a few years ago. I was addicted to DHC and it nearly killed me. It had an iron grip on my body and mind and I never want to experience that ever again!

It's worse than that. It's no longer about money, it's all about market share. DAMHIK.

Yup, but as the market shrinks, they look for new suckers to hook, witness the very high levels of nicotine they use in countries without the strict controls even NZ has. If we didn't have such controls they would use whatever level they felt was required to ensure their customers remained addicted, and even increase their addiction to the point where it would be almost impossible to quit.

With respect to those who smoke, it is too true, the saying that, "You don't smoke, the cigarette smokes, you are merely the sucker on the end of it."

[SMOKEU]

The cigarettes are addictive for the reason that the manufacturers deliberately make it addictive in order to keep you in their pockets regardless of any consequences to your health and life.

Addiction is just an excuse to keep smoking. I have found that tobacco isn't anywhere near as addictive as many people say it is. I have smoked on and off for 6 years and I can stop and start whenever I want. I haven't been smoking for about 3 months now and I haven't had a hard time stopping. I have a few mates in the same position as me. If people want to quit then they will.

[Edbear]

Addiction is just an excuse to keep smoking. I have found that tobacco isn't anywhere near as addictive as many people say it is. I have smoked on and off for 6 years and I can stop and start whenever I want. I haven't been smoking for about 3 months now and I haven't had a hard time stopping. I have a few mates in the same position as me. If people want to quit then they will.

It is different for different people. Some have a hard time of it, some can quit cold-turkey with little bother. The regulations we have in NZ have limited the amount of nicotine they can use which does help.

[jrandom]

Addiction is just an excuse to keep smoking. I have found that tobacco isn't anywhere near as addictive as many people say it is. I have smoked on and off for 6 years and I can stop and start whenever I want.

Same here. I like tobacco. Happily go months without touching it though. There's no real pull toward it. If I feel like it I'll have a durry or load up my briar pipe. A nicotine buzz is choice, and it's much nicer when you're not desensitised to it by constant use. It's like caffeine, alcohol or THC - just another natural psychoactive substance that's been used by humans for thousands of years and that will kill you if you take too much of it. [Edit: Of course, I'm not sure that you could kill yourself with THC, given that it's not toxic. But smoking's definitely bad for you in the long run if that's how you're taking it.]

Anyway. Tobacco smokers who need it to get through each day are pathetic, IMHO.

It's all in the mind.

[DMNTD:Me]

Addiction is just an excuse to keep smoking. I have found that tobacco isn't anywhere near as addictive as many people say it is. I have smoked on and off for 6 years and I can stop and start whenever I want. I haven't been smoking for about 3 months now and I haven't had a hard time stopping. I have a few mates in the same position as me. If people want to quit then they will.

As Ed has mentioned, we're all different.
I gave up something that most cannot...something that makes ciggies seem like child's play.
It is allegedly the most addictive "recreational" drug around yet I simply just stopped on the spot despite having a genuinely HEAVY intake.

We're all different

[jrandom]

We're all different

u r

[DMNTD:Me]

u r

Thankfully...

[mashman]

I've got no real excuses anymore... especially not with the kids brow beating me about it every day or so... but I ain't ready to give it up yet.

[Madness]

The cigarettes are addictive for the reason that the manufacturers deliberately make it addictive in order to keep you in their pockets regardless of any consequences to your health and life.........murderous intent.

Yeah, nah. Cigarettes are addictive for the reason that nature made the Nicotiana Tabacum plant a hallucinogenic entheogen, something that Homo Sapiens find pretty groovy. Tobacco companies make cigarettes to fit with the consumer profile of a certain market, both in terms of flavour and what is known as "delivery". Wealthier nations tend to prefer milder cigarettes whilst countries like Fiji & Papua New Guinea prefer smoking some nastyasfuck shit, often rolled in newsprint. If it was as simple as is often believed, we'd all be smoking "Spear" brand tobacco...


IMHO the anger often expressed towards "Big Tobacco" is a bit over-dramatic. Mankind has been using the shit for more than 10,000 years. If drinking tea was found to be carcinogenic tomorrow would the Bell Tea Co. be viewed similarly if still trading with similar "murderous intent"? Don't get me wrong, the pricks have very little in the way of morals or corporate responsibility, particularly evident in emerging markets.

[ducatilover]

We all have different perspectives of the amount of risk we are willing to take for our enjoyment. I know that falling off a bike is going to hurt, yet I love bikes and riding them. I won't do skydiving or bungy jumping though, and the reason I never made it as a winner in most sports was that while I ejoyed them, especially tennis and badminton, I don't have the killer instinct, that final ounce of whatever it took to win every time. I enjoyed being good at what I did and in knowing I could win, but I preferred to play the game for the enjoyment of it and was just as pleased, if not more so, when my opponent had a good game and won.

That's also why I would never have made a great motorcycle racer, I always pulled back at the edge and didn't push the limits, so I would have always been an also-ran.

Smoking, though, I put into a different category altogether as is it literally Russian Roulette with your life and health. The cigarettes are addictive for the reason that the manufacturers deliberately make it addictive in order to keep you in their pockets regardless of any consequences to your health and life. It is my anger at them that makes me doggedly opposed to smoking, (along with the health effects), as I would never see any company profit from a product that they know full well leads to the suffering and death of their customers nor support them in any way that condones their murderous intent.

Of course it is your choice and it is not my place to tell you not to do anything, and all will do what they wish, it is everyone's innate right.

Knowing what smoking cigarettes does, including causing the very nervous conditions people claim they help calm down, (with prescription pain-killer addiction, it is called "rebound" when the pain-killers cause the very pain you are taking them for), I just feel sad.

I do know first-hand what drug addiction is and I went through a living hell to get off them a few years ago. I was addicted to DHC and it nearly killed me. It had an iron grip on my body and mind and I never want to experience that ever again!



Yup, but as the market shrinks, they look for new suckers to hook, witness the very high levels of nicotine they use in countries without the strict controls even NZ has. If we didn't have such controls they would use whatever level they felt was required to ensure their customers remained addicted, and even increase their addiction to the point where it would be almost impossible to quit.

I respect & understand what you're saying completely Ed, but as I've said, I'll do as I want. I'll smoke where people don't get the second hand effects or complain.

With respect to those who smoke, it is too true, the saying that, "You don't smoke, the cigarette smokes, you are merely the sucker on the end of it."

That's brilliant

[gatch]

Whats annoys me, is that if it hadn't been made illegal in the states in the early 1900s. This argument wouldn't exist. No sane logical government would have made Cannabis illegal, based purely on the pros and cons of it.

Does it kill people ? no. Are the active ingredients carcinogens, or cause aids, or any other kind of virus/disease ? no. Does thc kill cells in a developed brain ? no. Does it cause depression or other mental illness in people who are not prone to these conditions ? no.

Like in a murder trial, you couldn't get a conviction for something you didn't do. Unless someone smarter than you had a vested interest in you going to prison...