Mini-motard for bucket racing?

**Tard** · 18th January 2012, 11:44

Originally Posted by gav

The best thing would be for all these mini motards to turn up and have their own class for ... mini motard racing, what a novel idea ...

...Kinda funny...I seem to recall there being debate for years about Motards (450cc +) racing in various classes, F3, BEARS etc etc and plenty of moaning about lines, braking points blah blah blah - pages & pages of 'debate' in KB somewhere - now it seems to be invading F4/5 buckets. I think 450+ Motards are still allowed out in F3 and BEARS?

**koba** · 18th January 2012, 17:16

Originally Posted by Tard

...Kinda funny...I seem to recall there being debate for years about Motards (450cc +) racing in various classes, F3, BEARS etc etc and plenty of moaning about lines, braking points blah blah blah - pages & pages of 'debate' in KB somewhere - now it seems to be invading F4/5 buckets. I think 450+ Motards are still allowed out in F3 and BEARS

Whey were effectively banned from F3 or ultra/super/duper/mega/pro/con-lites or whatever it's currently called.
For a few years there was a maximum handlebar height introduced. I think it has since been junked but there is something about riding style.
I can't be arsed looking at the rules but it is all on the MNZ website if anyone actually cares.

**Moooools** · 18th January 2012, 17:39

From memory the rules are like:

No motocross or motard riding position.
Bikes must be fully faired.
Clip on handlebars only.

**jasonu** · 18th January 2012, 17:41

Originally Posted by Moooools

From memory the rules are like:

No motocross or motard riding position.
Bikes must be fully faired.
Clip on handlebars only.

Did you just make that up?

**richban** · 18th January 2012, 18:50

Originally Posted by jasonu

Did you just make that up?

F3 rules. Not Buckets.

**Buckets4Me** · 18th January 2012, 19:17

Originally Posted by Tard

...Kinda funny...I seem to recall there being debate for years about Motards (450cc +) racing in various classes, F3, BEARS etc etc and plenty of moaning about lines, braking points blah blah blah - pages & pages of 'debate' in KB somewhere - now it seems to be invading F4/5 buckets. I think 450+ Motards are still allowed out in F3 and BEARS?

you would never get that in buckets as motards or motocross bikes are banned anyway

Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted.

**koba** · 18th January 2012, 19:37

Originally Posted by Buckets4Me

you would never get that in buckets as motards or motocross bikes are banned anyway

Engines. There is a guy with a 125 MX bike running 17s with slicks that goes quite well. It's RX125 powered.

**Moooools** · 18th January 2012, 20:27

Originally Posted by jasonu

Did you just make that up?

Yeah just pulled it right out of my arse for a laugh.

4.6 Be fitted with clip-on style bars (no MX, Motard, and Enduro or trail/dual purpose style of handle bars)

Other two I though were there but weren't. God damn non-photographic memory.

(Oh and these are F3 rules)

**Buckets4Me** · 18th January 2012, 20:31

Originally Posted by koba

Engines. There is a guy with a 125 MX bike running 17s with slicks that goes quite well. It's RX125 powered.

yes yes only the engine is banned and then some parts are ok

**wildman** · 18th January 2012, 20:57

Originally Posted by gav

Im not sure who said the 140cc pit bike was an issue, it was certainly the 155 that was an issue as the engine is oversize according to the rules. And its also the fact that the FXR155Z is advertised as a competition bike, that tends to suggest it is also outside the rules.
As the chassis is open being based on a KLX110 chassis, (like a KLX110 was the first bike to use that chassis ... ) acyually doesnt count for anything either.
Just because the engine is "based" on soem old relic doesnt really mean anything either. An old air cooled RM100 maybe "based" on an old TS100 motor but that doesnt make it a legal motor.
The best thing would be for all these mini motards to turn up and have their own class for ... mini motard racing, what a novel idea ...

I like the idea of them having their own class if enough turn up to do it, but i would be worried that we suddenly have to many classes and one that may be struggling at the moment to rebuild itself gets sidelined. Is there a structure in place for people to put forward new rules or changes to existing rules that can be discussed and voted on by the majority?

**TZ350** · 18th January 2012, 21:08

Originally Posted by koba

Engines. There is a guy with a 125 MX bike running 17s with slicks that goes quite well. It's RX125 powered.

Yes its a great class, the bigie rule is about the origines of the engine and transmission parts with some other small engine detail rules then everything else is open. Its great for constructors, riders, newbees and experts alike.

**koba** · 18th January 2012, 21:14

Originally Posted by wildman

I like the idea of them having their own class if enough turn up to do it, but i would be worried that we suddenly have to many classes and one that may be struggling at the moment to rebuild itself gets sidelined. Is there a structure in place for people to put forward new rules or changes to existing rules that can be discussed and voted on by the majority?

There is a process through MNZ but I don't see that being a smooth road. If people wanted it in place they would probably be best off talking to their local organiser(s) whoever they may be (Club or otherwise). One major pre-requisite is having enough people interested and able to participate.

**TZ350** · 18th January 2012, 21:24

MNZ have decleared F4 F5 as self policing, they are not much interested in rule wrangles, making rule clarifications or any detail changes. I guess they and the people MNZ seek advice from re Buckets think the formula is pretty good as it is, for the time being anyway.

**NSR143** · 18th January 2012, 21:25

We have to keep our thoughts open to 'what next' as bikes come and go in the market place. How many FXRs and CBR150s will be left in 5 years time and will there be enough to supply a healthy number of riders. Not everyone's an engineer and can make all the bits fit together in a reliable way when it comes to making do with whatever is laying around. Even IF 155 or 160cc engines come into play because thats the main stream engine for pit bikes there will always be the option of restrictions in carb size or whatever is easiest to regulate. Pit bikes on the F4 track will always have to conform to the traditional riding style to keep things sweet as we have seen in F3 in recent years.

We actually had a class for Motard Pit bikes at, of all places... Waipawa! and regularly got 6-8 bikes turning up. So that in todays terms is $240-$320 worth of input to make our racing affordable.

Regulate.... don't terminate.... the idea!