So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[oneofsix]

A mate of mine and his parents lived in Dubai, which is a big desert. Temperatures there are extremely hot during the day, and so my mates dad was telling me that when he would go shopping he would often leave his car parked in a car park, with the key in the ignition and the engine running in order the leave the air conditioner on. Petrol was very cheap and he had a good job so the petrol cost didn't matter. He would leave the car running for a few hours at a time, unattended.

No one would steal his car. He even told me he left a brand new TV and a few expensive appliances in the back seats in plain view while the car was in a car park for a few hours, unlocked with the engine running, and no one would steal anything. Why? Because over there people are so scared of getting caught, that crime is not a common occurrence. People know that they will be punished very severely, so they behave themselves. It's simply not worth the risk of getting busted just to steal a car or TV over there.

I once went to Singapore about 3 years ago for a holiday. I went on a pub crawl in a busy part of town in the early hours of the morning on a weekend. The pubs were very busy, and I didn't see any disorderly behaviour. Sure, a few people were a bit pissed, but I didn't see any violence or any antisocial behaviour. Again, this is because people fear the laws enough to behave themselves.

and not because they don't feel they need to? Fear only works so far and also it requires a risk of being caught.

[SMOKEU]

and not because they don't feel they need to? Fear only works so far and also it requires a risk of being caught.

If criminal laws are quite relaxed, then there will always be people who feel the need to take advantage of that. Hard core, repeat offenders know how to play "the system", they know exactly what to do (and what not to do), and they end up getting a free court appointed lawyer (at the expense of tax payers), and said lawyer will say "your honour, please don't send my client to jail because he had a hard life as a child, his mother was a crack whore while she was pregnant with him and his father beat him up often, so go easy on him".

If people know that they are likely to spend a few years confined to a small prison cell for breaking into someones house or stealing a car, then offending will reduce by a substantial amount. Those who are foolish enough to offend anyway, will then end up in a small prison cell for a few years and therefore are removed from society, and are unable to do any more damage for the period of time they are incarcerated. It's so simple.

[avgas]

This is a good start http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...caravan-rapist
We all want to go on a witch hunt when these things happen, but this isnt the middle ages anymore.

Bet you $20 I know what he does after he gets out.

[Ferkletastic]

Bet you $20 I know what he does after he gets out.

Disneyland?

I guess he'll spend most of his sentance in segregation due to the threat of reprisals from other inmates, so he'll probably be quite the space cadet (I mean obviously he's super mentally stable at the moment...).

[awa355]

If criminal laws are quite relaxed, then there will always be people who feel the need to take advantage of that. Hard core, repeat offenders know how to play "the system", they know exactly what to do (and what not to do), and they end up getting a free court appointed lawyer (at the expense of tax payers), and said lawyer will say "your honour, please don't send my client to jail because he had a hard life as a child, his mother was a crack whore while she was pregnant with him and his father beat him up often, so go easy on him".

If people know that they are likely to spend a few years confined to a small prison cell for breaking into someones house or stealing a car, then offending will reduce by a substantial amount. Those who are foolish enough to offend anyway, will then end up in a small prison cell for a few years and therefore are removed from society, and are unable to do any more damage for the period of time they are incarcerated. It's so simple.

I can tell you, that most crims dont consider the consequences of getting caught. They dont think about getting caught.

This offender will be in with more of his kind, He will be with similar midsets, he will simply be one of the 'boys'. All violent offenders have an automatic right to apply for parole within 5 months of completeing their 1/3rd of their sentance. If this mongrel gets 9 years, ( he pleaded guilty, so will get time reduced for that ) he will be elligible for parole after 3 yrs.

Violent offenders used to have to go 2/3rd's before considered for parole. You can thank the previous govt for bringing in the changes. Longer sentences for the few extreme, and countered with less compulsary time for the majority.

[SMOKEU]

Violent offenders used to have to go 2/3rd's before considered for parole. You can thank the previous govt for bringing in the changes. Longer sentences for the few extreme, and countered with less compulsary time for the majority.

People keep blaming the previous Labour government, but it's got nothing to do with them. What has National done about crime in NZ? They've brought about that 3 strikes rule, but that only affects the most serious offenders. It doesn't do anything about thieves and people who go around beating other people up. National have been around for 1 full term and yet they've achieved fuck all in that time. They're a bunch of corrupt cunts who don't deserve to be in power.

[baffa]

Dont get me wrong. There are times when I wonder what life would be like if the government controlled who was allowed to breed, and serious criminals were simply exterminated. But the measure of a society is it's poorest member.

Keep in mind you're all advocating murder and castration, not to mention torture for this boy.
If we keep following that logic, what punishment do we mete out to burglars and people charged for assault? cutting a hand off?

Ok, lets keep this going. What do we cut off people who break other laws, such as road rules?

Most of you have driven above the speed limits or dangerously at least once in your life. Perhaps we should take your licenses permanantly.

Let me guess. You say they are completely different, and you have some god given right to break the law. After all it harms noone if you speed, or do a little benefit fraud, or lie about the amount of contents that was stolen to your insurance company etc etc.

Back on topic, charging this kid as an adult may as well be a death sentance. Pedos dont tend to fare well in prison.

[BoristheBiter]

Dont get me wrong. There are times when I wonder what life would be like if the government controlled who was allowed to breed, and serious criminals were simply exterminated. But the measure of a society is it's poorest member.

Keep in mind you're all advocating murder and castration, not to mention torture for this boy.
If we keep following that logic, what punishment do we mete out to burglars and people charged for assault? cutting a hand off?

Ok, lets keep this going. What do we cut off people who break other laws, such as road rules?

Most of you have driven above the speed limits or dangerously at least once in your life. Perhaps we should take your licenses permanantly.

Let me guess. You say they are completely different, and you have some god given right to break the law. After all it harms noone if you speed, or do a little benefit fraud, or lie about the amount of contents that was stolen to your insurance company etc etc.

Back on topic, charging this kid as an adult may as well be a death sentance. Pedos dont tend to fare well in prison.

And neither should they get an easy ride.

What would you do if this was your child? let him off with a warning, tell him it's not his fault?
I'm sorry but if you bleeding hearts hadn't started down this pussy arsed road in the first place we might still get some justice.
I'm not saying that things would be different but at least they would be behind bars and not in a society that my/your children play.

I'm not talking torture, i would just put him, and those like him, down as quickly as possibly. or just leave them in jail, either way i don't want them in my society.

Why do you bleeding liberal types always have to bring in other laws to prove a point? we are not talking minor offences we are talking violent crime.
Crime that saw a child get beaten and rapped, now if you still want him in your society then fine but the rest of us want him gone.

[jrandom]

Dubai...

Live in a desert with a bunch of loony fundamentalist ragheads who'd be illiterate broken-arses if it weren't for the accidental nearby location of hydrocarbon deposits?

Fuck that.

I'd rather live near Maoris and pay insurance premiums.

Singapore...

Disneyland with the death penalty.

Went there once. It gave me the creeps.

Nope. Gotta say, I'm prepared to accept higher levels of crime in return for more personal freedom.

[SMOKEU]

Dont get me wrong. There are times when I wonder what life would be like if the government controlled who was allowed to breed, and serious criminals were simply exterminated. But the measure of a society is it's poorest member.

Keep in mind you're all advocating murder and castration, not to mention torture for this boy.
If we keep following that logic, what punishment do we mete out to burglars and people charged for assault? cutting a hand off?

Ok, lets keep this going. What do we cut off people who break other laws, such as road rules?

Most of you have driven above the speed limits or dangerously at least once in your life. Perhaps we should take your licenses permanantly.

Let me guess. You say they are completely different, and you have some god given right to break the law. After all it harms noone if you speed, or do a little benefit fraud, or lie about the amount of contents that was stolen to your insurance company etc etc.

Back on topic, charging this kid as an adult may as well be a death sentance. Pedos dont tend to fare well in prison.

What I'm trying to say is that REPEAT offenders should be punished much more harshly than they currently are. We have the diversion scheme for first time offenders of minor offences, which is a great idea because everyone makes mistakes, and everyone has done silly things they've later regretted.

What sucks is that there are people out there who continue to offend again, and again, and again. These people who keep offending are the ones who should be locked up for a very long time until they can prove that they are fit to return to society by behaving like a normal human being. It's very sad that we allow people to live a life of crime. Don't forget that everyone suffers, part of our insurance premiums for full cover go toward the risk of the vehicle being stolen or house being burgled.

If I'm speeding on the open road, then I'm not harming anyone. If I'm overtaking a line of cars at 150kmh, or hooning on a long straight bit of deserted countryside road at 200kmh, where's the harm in that? The fact is that when someone assaults another person or steals, then it is their intention to cause harm to the victim. Speeding on a countryside road is not the same as beating someone up as there is no malicious intent in speeding most of the time. Sure, I might fuck myself up by going too fast, but then again, I could also drown if I take up surfing, I could die if I take up down hill mountain biking, I could die if I decide to start paragliding, I could die if I go tramping and get lost in the bush. Shit happens.

[SMOKEU]

Live in a desert with a bunch of loony fundamentalist ragheads who'd be illiterate broken-arses if it weren't for the accidental nearby location of hydrocarbon deposits?

Fuck that.

I'd rather live near Maoris and pay insurance premiums.



Disneyland with the death penalty.

Went there once. It gave me the creeps.

Nope. Gotta say, I'm prepared to accept higher levels of crime in return for more personal freedom.

I wouldn't live in either of those places as they are filled with terrorists and have many extreme laws. In the Emirates it's illegal to have secks with someone you're not married to. Now that is fucked up.

What I was trying to say is that we could learn a few lessons from the justice systems of those countries. If people behave like animals, then they should expect the justice system to treat them like animals. If people go around assaulting others or stealing or vandalising their property, then they are obviously not showing their victim any respect. Why should the courts then show those offenders any respect in return? Did your parents ever teach you anything along the lines of "treat others the same way you would like to be treated"?

[FJRider]

I guess he'll spend most of his sentance in segregation due to the threat of reprisals from other inmates, so he'll probably be quite the space cadet (I mean obviously he's super mentally stable at the moment...).

I heard on the radio today ... Although he IS being tried as an ADULT, he will not be allowed to be put in with the "General population" untill he is 18 years old.

So at least TWO years of his own company ...

[jrandom]

In the Emirates it's illegal to have secks with someone you're not married to. Now that is fucked up...

What I was trying to say is that we could learn a few lessons from the justice systems of those countries.

You can't pick and choose, bro. Cunts who'll cut someone's hands off for stealing will also cut your cock off for rooting the wrong woman.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Smifffy]

Actually , I'm comfortable with drink drivers getting a 1 month sentence on the first offence, and convicted dangerous drivers doing time as well. Maybe then we might see a reduction in the road toll. Where would be the revenue in that?

Dont get me wrong. There are times when I wonder what life would be like if the government controlled who was allowed to breed, and serious criminals were simply exterminated. But the measure of a society is it's poorest member.

Keep in mind you're all advocating murder and castration, not to mention torture for this boy.
If we keep following that logic, what punishment do we mete out to burglars and people charged for assault? cutting a hand off?

Ok, lets keep this going. What do we cut off people who break other laws, such as road rules?

Most of you have driven above the speed limits or dangerously at least once in your life. Perhaps we should take your licenses permanantly.

Let me guess. You say they are completely different, and you have some god given right to break the law. After all it harms noone if you speed, or do a little benefit fraud, or lie about the amount of contents that was stolen to your insurance company etc etc.

Back on topic, charging this kid as an adult may as well be a death sentance. Pedos dont tend to fare well in prison.

[FJRider]

I wouldn't live in either of those places as they are filled with terrorists and have many extreme laws. In the Emirates it's illegal to have secks with someone you're not married to. Now that is fucked up.

What I was trying to say is that we could learn a few lessons from the justice systems of those countries. If people behave like animals, then they should expect the justice system to treat them like animals.

You forget those same people "we could learn a few lessons from" ... are quite happy to stone to death a woman that has been raped, because SHE had sex outside marriage ...

As JR said ... its all about options ... and the one's we have in NZ is take it or leave it. (and I'm staying ... )

There ARE processes to change the one's we don't like ... but if you cant be bothered waiting for any change, or trying to START the change process ... go to the Emirites ...