NZ arrests in US-led copyright operation

[mashman]

Takes one to know one.

[lakedaemonian]

If you own a shop and people loot it during a riot, then:

1. You will have to pay insurance excess for replacing windows, stock, etc.

2. You may lose any no claims bonus.

3. Your shop will have to be closed while it's repaired and new stock is ordered, so you can't make any sales during that time.

4. It will take you a lot of time to count losses, fill out insurance forms, replace stock, etc.

If someone pirates your music, how are you DIRECTLY suffering any loss, monetary or otherwise? Many of the people who pirate stuff wouldn't be prepared to pay for it even if software piracy didn't exist, so how is anyone losing money? It's just like me sneaking up to someones car and taking a picture of it. No one is losing anything.

Let's keep it super simple.

1,000,000 people illegally download music and movies.

Are you claiming ZERO people who downloaded the music and movies illegally would NEVER pay for the same music and movies? ZERO?

That's like saying a bunch of looting UK Chavs don't buy Nike trainers and tracksuits like they just stole from a shop.

I would agree that MOST wouldn't pay....because they lack the ethics/morals/funds to pay.

But ZERO? Be realistic.....

How about 5%, 10%, 20%? Certainly not ZERO.

So there is the losses to the artist and/or IP owner you seem to be looking for.

Also, that's where legitimate buyers eventually wind up having to fork over more to subsidize the theft.

WE CAN'T ALL STEAL music and movies....SOMEONE HAS TO PAY......just like we can't all be on the dole....somebody's got to generate the taxes to pay for those on the dole....and somebody's got to pay for music and movies so the rest can illegally download them.

So your argument/justification for illegal downloading of "No one is losing anything" is completely wrong.

[schrodingers cat]

Not trying to justify anything either way but the whole music industry is cynical and crooked.
Very little money goes to the many many independant artists out there who create the music.

A bit like the fact that FA money ends up in the hands of farmer growing veges or whatever.

This scumbag being arrested in such a high profile manner works well for the coporate bullies and thieves buying their justice.

Its probably been like this for all of history. THe interweb makes it more immediatly visable. Don't know if it means we can do anythng about it tho. I guess thats why violent revolution appeals to many folks.

[pzkpfw]

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Also, that's where legitimate buyers eventually wind up having to fork over more to subsidize the theft.

WE CAN'T ALL STEAL music and movies....SOMEONE HAS TO PAY......just like we can't all be on the dole....somebody's got to generate the taxes to pay for those on the dole....and somebody's got to pay for music and movies so the rest can illegally download them.

So your argument/justification for illegal downloading of "No one is losing anything" is completely wrong.

It's a bit like insurance fraud. Some people think it's a "victimless crime", ignoring that it drives up premiums for everybody, even for those who don't make the fraudulent claims.

The way I see it, the people who make, produce and sell the movies, music, whatever have the right to determine how they are distributed and how they are paid for. (Even if it truely weren't costing them.)

People are just whining (understandably, it's human nature) because they could get something for free, but now maybe can't. Tough luck.

The funny part is when it gets made into some kind of "free speech" issue, as though not being able to download (for free) the latest song by "Bobby Brimstone and the Flying Bicycles" is somehow going to lead to the downfall of democracy.

[cromagnon]

Same guy...

[SPman]

From other threads on here they don't work and sponge off the rest of us.

You really are are fucking tosspot, aren't you!

[scumdog]

that's coz you're an ignorant pig

Oooh, I'm going to tell the tee-cha on you for that...

[mashman]

Oooh, I'm going to tell the tee-cha on you for that...

remember not to speak with your mouth full.

[BoristheBiter]

You really are are fucking tosspot, aren't you!

So are you or not on the dole?

[SS90]

Same guy...

I actually wondered what sort of person he was, and that 1min 30 second clip confirmed what I suspected.

Arschloch!

I am very certain that the yanks are going to make an exampe of him, but they have chosen the right Arschloch to do it with.

[mashman]

I am very certain that the yanks are going to make an exampe of him, but they have chosen the right Arschloch to do it with.

I hope this Arschloch gets a fuckin good lawyer and leads them a merry dance, I really do, Arschloch or not it'd be fun to watch the system beaten by its own loopholes... although the chances of that happening are close to nil probably... unless of course him getting off will be the justification for ramming SOPA and PIPA through... oh I do like a good conspiracy.

[BoristheBiter]

I hope this Arschloch gets a fuckin good lawyer and leads them a merry dance, I really do, Arschloch or not it'd be fun to watch the system beaten by its own loopholes... although the chances of that happening are close to nil probably... unless of course him getting off will be the justification for ramming SOPA and PIPA through... oh I do like a good conspiracy.

You do that.

[Berries]

As a side note (or parallel, it's more interesting to me), today was the first time I'd heard anything about MegaUpload having anything at all to with New Zealand. How about the rest of you?

Today was the first time I had ever heard the word. Is Dotcom his real name then?

[mashman]

You do that.

Do what? Have you been drinking Boris? or vodka for that matter

[BoristheBiter]

Do what? Have you been drinking Boris? or vodka for that matter

Good KB grammar again.

It was meant as "yes, you do that, like a good conspiracy".

But right again I had been drinking, but not myself. I wouldn't think I would be very tasty, but each to their own.