Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[SMOKEU]

More cars crash because more people crash them, because car drivers are more likely to crash.
I can use twisted logic like 99% of pro (or anti) pot arguments.

Why won't you become fat? You should sell your secret.

I'd still like to see why you think motorcycles are safer than cars. Most people who have been riding for a long time have fucked themselves up at least once on a bike. It's a lot easier to crash a bike than it is to crash a car, and the end result is usually much worse for the motorcyclist than the cager. Who do you think is going to come out better off if you have a head on collision with a modern, 5 star NCAP rated car? Or an intersection T bone situation?

If every motorcyclist sat at home smoking pot and playing Battlefield 3 on a weekend then we wouldn't have any of this carnage involving motorcycles. We wouldn't have any biker down threads. If we're that concerned about our health that weed is illegal, then the next logical step is to ban motorcycling, scrap our bikes, then we can all buy some nice safe cars where we are surrounded by airbags.

The whole "weed is bad but alcohol is ok" is like telling a learner rider that a CBR250 is a very dangerous bike because it doesn't have much power, but a CBR1000RR is a perfect learner bike. The government gets more tax from sales of the CBR1000RR as well.

Oh, and about being fat, I can eat as much as I want and I never put on weight. I'm still skinny as fuck, always have been.

[Edbear]

I'd still like to see why you think motorcycles are safer than cars. Most people who have been riding for a long time have fucked themselves up at least once on a bike. It's a lot easier to crash a bike than it is to crash a car, and the end result is usually much worse for the motorcyclist than the cager. Who do you think is going to come out better off if you have a head on collision with a modern, 5 star NCAP rated car? Or an intersection T bone situation?

If every motorcyclist sat at home smoking pot and playing Battlefield 3 on a weekend then we wouldn't have any of this carnage involving motorcycles. We wouldn't have any biker down threads. If we're that concerned about our health that weed is illegal, then the next logical step is to ban motorcycling, scrap our bikes, then we can all buy some nice safe cars where we are surrounded by airbags.

The whole "weed is bad but alcohol is ok" is like telling a learner rider that a CBR250 is a very dangerous bike because it doesn't have much power, but a CBR1000RR is a perfect learner bike. The government gets more tax from sales of the CBR1000RR as well.

Oh, and about being fat, I can eat as much as I want and I never put on weight. I'm still skinny as fuck, always have been.

All of us middle-aged fatso's were the same at one time, don't worry, it will get you in the end...


Unless cancer gets you first...

[DMNTD:Me]

All of us middle-aged fatso's were the same at one time, don't worry, it will get you in the end...


Unless cancer gets you first...

http://www.naturalnews.com/033757_ca...ncer_cure.html ...don't worry about it, Cannabis will help out there too

[scissorhands]

Research indicates that CBD can relieve convulsions, reduce inflammation, lower anxiety and suppress nausea, while also inhibiting cancer development. In addition, CBD has exhibited neuroprotective properties, relieving symptoms of dystonia and proving just as effective as regular antipsychotics in the treatment of schizophrenia

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033757_ca...#ixzz1k8RvfUgV

There goes Ducs argument re some peeps going nuts on cannabis... he never fronted with anything but an opinion. Thats because proving that cannabis encourages mental illness is totally unfounded in scientific literature

FAIL

[DMNTD:Me]

Research indicates that CBD can relieve convulsions, reduce inflammation, lower anxiety and suppress nausea, while also inhibiting cancer development. In addition, CBD has exhibited neuroprotective properties, relieving symptoms of dystonia and proving just as effective as regular antipsychotics in the treatment of schizophrenia

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033757_ca...#ixzz1k8RvfUgV

There goes Ducs argument re some peeps going nuts on cannabis...

FAIL

Problem is is that 'they' (certain posters) are viewing the medical user or casual user as a stoner so they will CHOOSE not to see the above facts.

[haydes55]

...don't worry about it, Cannabis will help out there too

actually heard about an american doctor doing studies on THC in Iran or something because that was the easiest place to get a research permit, administers THC in marijuana oil so he can control the dosage carefully and accurately. So I wouldn't be surprised if that was true.

[scissorhands]

actually heard about an american doctor doing studies on THC in Iran or something because that was the easiest place to get a research permit, administers THC in marijuana oil so he can control the dosage carefully and accurately. So I wouldn't be surprised if that was true.

After the DEA shut down an early study on mice in the US, Madrid in the late 90's got the research going again, and many more countries have conducted scientific research since

There is a large body of literature now and many doctors are in agreement. Historically it had wide application when it was prescibed, but most was sold for childbirth, womens problems and nervous disorders

[Edbear]

actually heard about an american doctor doing studies on THC in Iran or something because that was the easiest place to get a research permit, administers THC in marijuana oil so he can control the dosage carefully and accurately. So I wouldn't be surprised if that was true.

But, you must understand, this is very different from smoking it to get high and thinking it is healthy for you or at least not harmful.

This is what users fail to see in their spurious arguments seeking to justify their recreational use of cannabis.

[mashman]

Thats because proving that cannabis encourages mental illness is totally unfounded in scientific literature

FAIL

What do you mean by encourage? There are studies that show too much THC at an early (teen equivalent) developmental stage has higher instances of mental instability... the results are not the same for fully developed rats. So I wouldn't say it's totally unfounded, but as with anything else perhaps the "damage" was already there and was going to be there come adulthood anyway. Without a time machine we'll honestly never know.

[scissorhands]

People have been using it recreationally for millennia

The culture like the Sumatran Batak and Minangkabo have cannabis consumption rates almost the same as NZ, probably lower. Its widely available, but mirrors NZ usage demographics of a self medicating population

The Thais had low cannabis rates too, with wide availability and self medicating peeps.

Its safe, its a medicine. But only a few of the population seek or need it

[DMNTD:Me]

But, you must understand, this is very different from smoking it to get high and thinking it is healthy for you or at least not harmful.

This is what users fail to see in their spurious arguments seeking to justify their recreational use of cannabis.

...and what you're choosing not to understand here is that no one is stating that smoking anything is good for you.
However, sometimes the 'positives of taking (in most ways) cannabis (in any of its forms) far out weighs its negatives even if it is being smoked.
There is no way in the world you could understand that view point as you have never had the experience.
I have and can assure you that the so called negatives of having the odd puff are FAR better than the aggressive legal drugs that I have been prescribed by the medical fraternity.

Nothing is as black and white as you appear to perceive it to be...loads of grey areas

[haydes55]

But, you must understand, this is very different from smoking it to get high and thinking it is healthy for you or at least not harmful.

This is what users fail to see in their spurious arguments seeking to justify their recreational use of cannabis.

So no objection to having legal THC rich oil sold in pharmacies? By the sounds of your arguments you wouldn't be opposed to medicinal uses, only opposed to recreational use? (Correct me if I'm jumping to conclusions).

The reason why I ask is alot of people who you think are using it recreationally are using it as a release, a break from stress, a relaxer at the end of a hard day. Many people use it as a natural remedy to keeping their sanity. the majority of daily users aren't smoking marijuana daily just because they like getting baked off their faces, if they smoke it daily it's usually for a reason. Whether it is for pain relief, to relax them or for any other reason.

I know of older people who smoke it daily as pain relief for sore backs/joints etc. because doctors wont prescribe them with an adequate pain medication, A lot of the stronger pain medications also have side effects that are worse than marijuana. I had a crash at speedway and strained the ligaments in my shoulder http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=-iliaoqa4aI I was given tremadol. Took a tablet with a V (stupid idea in retrospect but it's just something I didn't think about), Spent the night from 10pm til 2am out of my mind high and couldn't sleep. I have never been that stoned before in my life. Although yes the pain did go away, I would of been better off with some medicinal THC oil, would of been put to sleep and pain free in no time.

[scissorhands]

What do you mean by encourage? There are studies that show too much THC at an early (teen equivalent) developmental stage has higher instances of mental instability... the results are not the same for fully developed rats. So I wouldn't say it's totally unfounded, but as with anything else perhaps the "damage" was already there and was going to be there come adulthood anyway. Without a time machine we'll honestly never know.

yes yes I forget the younguns, definitely no getting high before 18 or 20 yrs old, nothing wrong with a medicinal dose for an ailment though!

In my experience around stoners, and its quite extensive, the blobbing out, tobacco and alcohol and other drugs...... family and relationship skills lacking producing enormous stress, undiagnosed ADHD and autism, cause more harm than weed.

Generally those heading for a train wreck.... reach out to escape with cannabis because of its amazing medicinal dissociative effects, but it often catches up anyways.

No scientific literature supports substantial mental issues in adults from cannabis

[ducatilover]

very very true indeed... finally some facts



WTF was I thinking my apologies

I'd still like to see why you think motorcycles are safer than cars. Most people who have been riding for a long time have fucked themselves up at least once on a bike. It's a lot easier to crash a bike than it is to crash a car, and the end result is usually much worse for the motorcyclist than the cager. Who do you think is going to come out better off if you have a head on collision with a modern, 5 star NCAP rated car? Or an intersection T bone situation?

If every motorcyclist sat at home smoking pot and playing Battlefield 3 on a weekend then we wouldn't have any of this carnage involving motorcycles. We wouldn't have any biker down threads. If we're that concerned about our health that weed is illegal, then the next logical step is to ban motorcycling, scrap our bikes, then we can all buy some nice safe cars where we are surrounded by airbags.

The whole "weed is bad but alcohol is ok" is like telling a learner rider that a CBR250 is a very dangerous bike because it doesn't have much power, but a CBR1000RR is a perfect learner bike. The government gets more tax from sales of the CBR1000RR as well.

Oh, and about being fat, I can eat as much as I want and I never put on weight. I'm still skinny as fuck, always have been.

It was an example of taking something out of context, as you just have.
I have yet to hear an argument for marijuana that can admit there may be side effects.


Have a stroll through here, look for peer reviewed articles too, they're not biased and if you really are interested at all in pros vs cons, you'll research it and realise that there are cons, not all pros.
http://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?...2C5&as_sdtp=on

[mashman]

yes yes I forget the younguns, definitely no getting high before 18 or 20 yrs old, nothing wrong with a medicinal dose for an ailment though!

In my experience around stoners, and its quite extensive, the blobbing out, tobacco and alcohol and other drugs...... family and relationship skills lacking producing enormous stress, undiagnosed ADHD and autism, cause more harm than weed.

Generally those heading for a train wreck.... reach out to escape with cannabis because of its amazing medicinal dissociative effects, but it often catches up anyways.

No scientific literature supports substantial mental issues in adults from cannabis

I can imagine there are all sorts of uses for cannabis... such a shame that it was shelved for sooooo many years because it was bad, just plain old bad. I guess there's no money in something that you can make yourself... let's have some propaganda to fool the rest of the world into believing that it's for the good of society .