Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[Indiana_Jones]

I agree, you should be able to do what you like as long as it's not shitting on other people.

Funny though, the Greens would be happy for pot to be legal, but would love to ban firearms.

-Indy

[SMOKEU]

My philospohy is, and always will be - do what the fuck you like as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

There is zero studies showing that smoking pot hurts anyone else without other factors being at play. If you argue it's a health cost to the taxpayer then it's probably at most the same level as motorcycle injuries, so by that logic you should stop being a hypocrite and sell the bike. In fact you are way more likely to kill or hurt someone else by riding a bike than by smoking a spliff.

I wish this country had MPs like you. Then we would finally have laws that make sense instead of making criminals out of ordinary people.

[Madness]

Eh?... Considering all the players, I cant see money going out of it, though that would be good for end consumers pockets. But hey, someone else will take their cash eh?

I dunno.

Switched On Gardener has shown that their business model can sustain itself in a "Tomato Only" marketplace. I think you'll find that decriminalisation in N.Z would herald a massive increase in DIY indoor growing. I'm sure there are a huge number of otherwise law-abiding, professional 30 & 40-something Kiwi pot smokers that would grow their own if it not for fear of a cultivation of drugs conviction.

Remove the market described above & you're left with kids buying $20 tinnies. By that time Tobacco will be illegal, or $30 a pack of 20's and the gangs will be peddling Milds & Menthols.

[scissorhands]

No age-limit on grass eh???

The Daktory has always been R18, some places even breathalyse punters

For awhile it was zero reading only! now same as driving

[scumdog]

I wish this country had MPs like you. Then we would finally have laws that make sense instead of making criminals out of ordinary people.

Me too - I'd be able to speed all over the place swerving over the yellow lines while stoned and firing my AK47 all over the place as I deliver my now-legal drugs...

[Madness]

Me too - I'd be able to speed all over the place swerving over the yellow lines while stoned and firing my AK47 all over the place as I deliver my now-legal drugs...

Just remember to keep yer clothes on eh?

[scissorhands]

I dunno.

Switched On Gardener has shown that their business model can sustain itself in a "Tomato Only" marketplace. I think you'll find that decriminalisation in N.Z would herald a massive increase in DIY indoor growing. I'm sure there are a huge number of otherwise law-abiding, professional 30 & 40-something Kiwi pot smokers that would grow their own if it not for fear of a cultivation of drugs conviction.

Remove the market described above & you're left with kids buying $20 tinnies. By that time Tobacco will be illegal, or $30 a pack of 20's and the gangs will be peddling Milds & Menthols.

Currently the number of plants before your looking at a cultivation for sale charge is around 5. However high yield large outdoor plants may be only 1 or 2.

I dunno about heaps of DIY grow ops. Anyone can brew or buy a still, but only a few actually do, most just pay the tax and buy it. And alcohol is more popular than weed and may always be more popular....

Probably the profit on home liquor sales could be the same as current cannabis profits.

I imagine some really big gangs with connections may get upset if you start selling grog

[mashman]

I have actually laughed about that. Thing is though, most smokers don't want to smoke any more (none of my friends nor myself who smoke only marijuana have a smokers cough). In my experience most smokers I have met have said they want to quit. Tobacco has been proven to cause cancers, clog arteries and poison people. The major concern with tobacco is it is smoked publicly alot so people who are non-smokers are getting second hand smoke. Whereas marijuana is usually smoked in a room/car sealed with only other weed smokers present. There is no passing on of the smoke. Except at several concerts I have been at (but that's pretty douche-y).

Second hand smoke eh. How about all of the chemicals that are pumped into the atmosphere. There are links between lung cancer and living near a bus station and the filling of fuel tanks at a petrol station, let alone the fact that we only removed lead from petrol 30ish years ago and each and every day we breath car/bus/truck fumes that probably have an affect on our lungs. Second hand smoke is bloody weak at best.

Me too - I'd be able to speed all over the place swerving over the yellow lines while stoned and firing my AK47 all over the place as I deliver my now-legal drugs...

would you be allowed to have the lights on too? I'm considering a career change

[Usarka]

Me too - I'd be able to speed all over the place swerving over the yellow lines while stoned and firing my AK47 all over the place as I deliver my now-legal drugs...

would you be allowed to have the lights on too? I'm considering a career change

Especially if there's speed involved!

[SMOKEU]

let alone the fact that we only removed lead from petrol 30ish years ago

Even unleaded petrol still has lead in it.

[scissorhands]

Tobacco is grown with some shit in it

Its so hard to get organically fertilized high grade outdoor buds grown from an indoor mother. The sun and the earth and modern breeding

Its ironic they're smoking hydroponic

[mashman]

Especially if there's speed involved!

We'll have the disco lights too... just need some biscuits.

Even unleaded petrol still has lead in it.

I did not know that... t'would seem a little misleading (pun not really intended) to call it unleaded.

[ducatilover]

Not at all. Tobacco is proven to kill most long term users..

There's a correlation between tobacco smokers and lung cancer, to prove would involve samples of identical people, one sample made to smoke for X amount of years, the other not to, in controlled environments, this is unethical. If you read any properly written study it will never say "proven to kill", this is how it's still legal.


*disclaimer: I do not claim to believe tobacco isn't harmful, I am arguing semantics.

[haydes55]

If you read any properly written study it will never say "proven to kill", this is how it's still legal.

Translate that to marijuana which has never been proven to harm let alone kill yet it's illegal?

[SMOKEU]

There's a correlation between tobacco smokers and lung cancer, to prove would involve samples of identical people, one sample made to smoke for X amount of years, the other not to, in controlled environments, this is unethical. If you read any properly written study it will never say "proven to kill", this is how it's still legal.


*disclaimer: I do not claim to believe tobacco isn't harmful, I am arguing semantics.

Yup, you're right. But there is a lot of documented evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that tobacco does significantly reduce the life span of long term users, and that it causes a lot of harm. It has been proven to constrict blood vessels, and therefore reduce the amount of blood flow around the body. This last point is not something that is mere speculation, it is an undeniable fact.

However, there is no evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that cannabis is particularly harmful.