Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[scissorhands]

Mental illness is no small issue mate.
I'd like to see an explanation for drug fucked weed users

yawn....when you see a drug fucked person, I would hazard a guess that many things came together to produce that state

Brain degeneration can occur in many ways, I recently had concussion, and still have the effects, I was nearly knocked out.

heavy metals here http://www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html

Remember that when you see a very stoned person....this is not drug fucked, just a very stoned person.

I see older long term users all the time, they are not drug fucked. Many have ADHD or autism and self medicate. What you may see as drug fucked may actually be an underlying genetic neurology.

Other older users I know are iconoclastic eloquent speakers of very high intelligence, driven to the far corners of society by ignorant half wits throwing out repeated one liners taught to them by the lead gorilla....

I think your just biased against weed, like some protestants dont like catholics, ford vrs holden, etc etc

Its actually a very irrational and delusional position for you, discarding users as 'drug fucked' limits your understanding considerably. It could be seen as a sociopathic comment, a racism if you like

You say drug fucked weed smokers, yet indulge in tobacco and alcohol and 'bitches' as you state.....

I call hypocrisy and lies

[SMOKEU]

Mental illness is no small issue mate.
I'd like to see an explanation for drug fucked weed users

How do you know they're not fucked from some other drugs or alcohol? How do you know their mother wasn't an alcoholic or drug user while pregnant with the child? How do you know they don't have a mental illness which started long before they had their first toke?

When you show me some unbiased scientific evidence that proves your case, I'm willing to look at it. I don't believe hokus pokus.

[scumdog]

How do you know they're not fucked from some other drugs or alcohol? How do you know their mother wasn't an alcoholic or drug user while pregnant with the child? How do you know they don't have a mental illness which started long before they had their first toke?

When you show me some unbiased scientific evidence that proves your case, I'm willing to look at it. I don't believe hokus pokus.

L.i.s.t.e.n.

He didn't want to know about all the examples you have quoted (defensively) - he wanted to know about 'drug fucked wierdos'

Apparently.

[mashman]

Mental illness is no small issue mate.
I'd like to see an explanation for drug fucked weed users

that's all alcohol related, nothing to do with weed...

[onearmedbandit]

Mental illness is no small issue mate.
I'd like to see an explanation for drug fucked weed users

I'd like to see an explanation for idiot fucked motorcycle riders. And one for idiot fucked car drivers. Oh and one for idiot fucked people that beat children. Add to that idiot fucked men who rape women. Don't forget idiot fucked people that like to attack the weak and elderly.

There are fucked people everywhere. Years ago (thousands to hundreds) they would've met their fate a long time ago, unable to successfully provide for themselves or killed by a revenge attack. Now we live in a society where the rest of us provide for them or put them up for a few years. So yup there are drug fucked weed users out there. Is it the weeds fault? Or societies? Is it the motorcycles fault? The cars fault?

[ducatilover]

yawn....when you see a drug fucked person, I would hazard a guess that many things came together to produce that state

Brain degeneration can occur in many ways, I recently had concussion, and still have the effects, I was nearly knocked out.

heavy metals here http://www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html

Remember that when you see a very stoned person....this is not drug fucked, just a very stoned person.

I see older long term users all the time, they are not drug fucked. Many have ADHD or autism and self medicate. What you may see as drug fucked may actually be an underlying genetic neurology.

Other older users I know are iconoclastic eloquent speakers of very high intelligence, driven to the far corners of society by ignorant half wits throwing out repeated one liners taught to them by the lead gorilla....

I think your just biased against weed, like some protestants dont like catholics, ford vrs holden, etc etc

Its actually a very irrational and delusional position for you, discarding users as 'drug fucked' limits your understanding considerably. It could be seen as a sociopathic comment, a racism if you like

You say drug fucked weed smokers, yet indulge in tobacco and alcohol and 'bitches' as you state.....

I call hypocrisy and lies

I'm not biased against weed, I am biased against the biased arguments on both sides. I personally couldn't care less if it's made legal, it won't raise the number of young mentally ill at all, or the elusive drug fucked people I talk of.
Drug fucked is a term used for simplicity and recognition...
No doubt about my hypocrisy at all, I do all those things in moderation and no longer smoke weed, I'm not telling anyone else to abide by what I say am I? Just looking for valid arguments, like ones you would need to press forward if legalising cannabis is what you want.
You do make some good points for it too, which is better than the majority's "I like it, make it legal" argument.

How do you know they're not fucked from some other drugs or alcohol? How do you know their mother wasn't an alcoholic or drug user while pregnant with the child? How do you know they don't have a mental illness which started long before they had their first toke?

When you show me some unbiased scientific evidence that proves your case, I'm willing to look at it. I don't believe hokus pokus.

I look after two foetal alcohol kids and they are completely different to tyhe "drug fucked" chaps I speak of.
I see the drug fucked part has raised a good response, which is nice. Finally.

L.i.s.t.e.n.

He didn't want to know about all the examples you have quoted (defensively) - he wanted to know about 'drug fucked wierdos'

Apparently.

Or am I just trollin'?

that's all alcohol related, nothing to do with weed...

I better get off alcohol then?

I'd like to see an explanation for idiot fucked motorcycle riders. And one for idiot fucked car drivers. Oh and one for idiot fucked people that beat children. Add to that idiot fucked men who rape women. Don't forget idiot fucked people that like to attack the weak and elderly.

There are fucked people everywhere. Years ago (thousands to hundreds) they would've met their fate a long time ago, unable to successfully provide for themselves or killed by a revenge attack. Now we live in a society where the rest of us provide for them or put them up for a few years. So yup there are drug fucked weed users out there. Is it the weeds fault? Or societies? Is it the motorcycles fault? The cars fault?

Idiot riders = right hand twisting that thingy on the bar makes them mad.
Car drivers = fucked if I know.
Children/elderly beaters = a desire to be dominant or just plain aggressive cunts. (I bet it doesn't happen when they smoke pot)

[ducatilover]

heavy metals here http://www.flcv.com/tmlbn.html

I think I'll go live in a box now

[scissorhands]

Or am I just trollin'?

Please list some drug fucked stoners (apart from KB members)

I think your argument is weak

here is a Jamaican tour guide to bob marleys house, this guy admits to 25 joints per day, he dont look too bad to me, brighter and more cognisant than some who have never touched weed

[ducatilover]

Please list some drug fucked stoners (apart from KB members)

I think your argument is weak

I have a fair few mates like so and have met many.
You're telling me that no-one ends up becoming slower and less sharp under heavy usage?
If that is so, the lot I know are all shit and on other drugs (many of them aren't drinkers) because a few were once very intelligent, now they're mere fools.
On the flip side, I have many mates who smoke a lot and have no noticeable drop in intelligence or even motivation.

I'm merely suggesting that people can become slower and less active if they smoke a lot of pot.
I know that can be said for many other drugs, legal or not, but that's not the point here.

[Usarka]

here is a Jamaican tour guide to bob marleys house, this guy admits to 25 joints per day, he dont look too bad to me, brighter and more cognisant than some who have never touched weed

I did a feluca (sailboat) ride up the nile with a Captain Jamaica in the late 90's. Before he started the sales pitch he rolled a fat one and passed it around. Twas a very relaxed couple of days

[SMOKEU]

I have a fair few mates like so and have met many.
You're telling me that no-one ends up becoming slower and less sharp under heavy usage?
If that is so, the lot I know are all shit and on other drugs (many of them aren't drinkers) because a few were once very intelligent, now they're mere fools.
On the flip side, I have many mates who smoke a lot and have no noticeable drop in intelligence or even motivation.

I'm merely suggesting that people can become slower and less active if they smoke a lot of pot.
I know that can be said for many other drugs, legal or not, but that's not the point here.

Finally, you're speaking sense.

[onearmedbandit]

Here's the way I see it, for myself that is. I'm a regular smoker, have been for 20yrs now. I hold down a good job, I pay my bills and have a little left over for toys etc. I come home from work, greet the fiancé who beats me home from work and has dinner on and I have a little smoke with my bong. We discuss each others day and then enjoy a good meal. A little while after dinner I'll have another quick smoke, maybe watch something I want to watch, do some work around the house, maybe some time working on the bike or reading a book. I'll have another smoke around 10:30'ish after she has gone to bed and spend some time on the 'net or out in the garage. I'll then be off to bed around 1:30-2:00am. Every night. If I was to replace getting high with getting drunk none of that would be achieved.

We like to get over to Melbourne once or twice a year, for up to 10 days at a time. Of course during that period I have nothing to smoke, and it doesn't concern me, I'm on holiday from my normal routine. So I can't be addicted. Yet if I were to do the same with alcohol I dare say I'd still be drinking every night.

So weed works for me. Some my ask why I smoke it at all if it's not an addiction (which it isn't, when I say every night there are some nights that don't follow that routine and it never concerns me). I enjoy the feeling, it relaxes me (especially from my pain) and believe it or not it motivates me, both physically and mentally. My memory is fine, I get comments all the time about how I remember even the finest details from deals I did months ago, to other workmates deals, to all sorts of obscure shit. I exercise when I'm high, I socialise, I can exist with or without it.

Yes there are certainly those that shouldn't be on it, and there are those that it does no favours for. I don't advocate it for anyone else, it's a personal decision and one that I respect. I'm discreet with it so criminal prosecution doesn't concern me, and if I was to be 'raided' I'm afraid they'd be wasting their time. But I do not believe I should be fined or convicted for smoking peacefully in my home when there are problems within society, problems that beat up children and partners, rape and murder, problems that stem from a legal drug, happening every minute of every day in this country. More people in NZ use this drug, it's a killer, proven killer, known killer, and our politicians get it at an even better rate than you can.

[haydes55]

Mental illness is no small issue mate.
I'd like to see an explanation for drug fucked weed users

Never said it was a small issue, in fact it's a big issue. If you hold mental illness in such high regard, and know there is a risk of mental illness from youths smoking marijuana, why don't you support legalisation and age restrictions? Legalisation will drop the amount of marijuana available to youths, there is no doubt about that. There is no proof of mental illness from adults smoking it so again no reason for it not to be legalised.

[ducatilover]

Finally, you're speaking sense.

My bad

[scissorhands]

I have a fair few mates like so and have met many.
You're telling me that no-one ends up becoming slower and less sharp under heavy usage?
If that is so, the lot I know are all shit and on other drugs (many of them aren't drinkers) because a few were once very intelligent, now they're mere fools.
On the flip side, I have many mates who smoke a lot and have no noticeable drop in intelligence or even motivation.

I'm merely suggesting that people can become slower and less active if they smoke a lot of pot.
I know that can be said for many other drugs, legal or not, but that's not the point here.

okay so slow and less active = fucked up on weed

No examples eh? FAIL

Plenty of Kiwis fucked up on alcohol, far more than weed.

3 monthly checks$$$ with your cannabis prescribing doctor to see if your fucking out.... shame they are not even bothering with booze, tobacco or bad diet though????