Gotta feel for the Greek people

[firefighter]

Ze ver only following ze orders Ja?

I'm sure I've hard that before somewhere in history.

Heaps of places. I'm sure you have the same callous views to all NZ defence force personnel too. I suppose you can liken them also into what you thought was an intelligent rebuttle. It was'nt. If you follow orders it does'nt mean you have anything in common with what you are getting at.

Actually, you've basically said you have no sympathy for any soldier, police officer, firefighter, ambulance officer, or anyone else who puts themselves in harms way so that you can live your life, all because yep you guessed it, they all have to follow orders.

[SS90]

Beats me why the Germans and the French prop up the EU.

Erm ,because Germany has the 4th biggest economy in the world, and France the 5th, the nearest EU country (in terms of GDP) is the UK (6th) then, 7th and 9th respectively are Italy and Spain (both in a recession and borrowing heavily/asking for handouts from the EU) The next closest EU country in terms of GDP way down the list at 20th is Belgium.

So, like I say, Germany,France and the UK are the backbone of the EU (even all the EU banking is done in Germany), and, none of these 3 countries has any "this public service is paid for by the EU" signs anywhere........Spain does, Italy as well (though not on the Autostrada in Italy, as they are privately owned)

But, back to the point, Greece screwed themselves up, and committed fraud to do it, and now want the EU members to give more money blindly...... no thanks!

And, considering the EU contributions are based on GDP, it's pretty clear who pays the most.

[Magua]

You cannot spend spend spend and borrow, borrow borrow and expect not to go broke. Thank fuck JK got in and broke the labour "spend spend spend and borrow, borrow borrow" model and actually is making NZ live within its means.

Spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow. Would that be why Labour was running with a surplus for many years? :P

[Tank]

Spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow. Would that be why Labour was running with a surplus for many years? :P

At the end of their term Labour’s books for the Government forecasted to have to borrow $20 billion over the next decade. And that was after all the surplus's you mention. A decade of deficits is going to push debt from under 20% of GDP to over 30%.

Yet they still wanted to borrow more to give $$$$ for benefits etc. Thank fuck they were kicked out - else we may have ended up broke.

[CookMySock]

Why the fuck do protestors attack police BTW? I never understood that. Assaulting and murdering innocent people does'nt get back at parliament. Really pissed me off when I saw that molotov set that cop of fire. What the fuck did that achieve other than potentially taking away another equally affected families father?

Why are the cops there? What's the point?

Do you think there will be less damage or more, if the police show up?

What would happen if the cops didn't show up at all?

Steve

[mashman]

What would happen if the cops didn't show up at all?

Steve

There'd be dead politicians everywhere... I wish the people had just been left alone to sort it out... after all they were trying to get access to their employees... employees that will defend themselves using deadly force it would seem...

As for the cops taking orders... if the country is as corrupt as has been mentioned, then i'd venture that the cops have something to lose by letting the politicians die...

How's about a liddle question for the police on here... You know that rich pricks are ruining your country and fully realise that politicians are doing nothing about it, quite the opposite in fact, would you then risk your life to protect your country's politicians from its people?

[BoristheBiter]

There'd be dead politicians everywhere... I wish the people had just been left alone to sort it out... after all they were trying to get access to their employees... employees that will defend themselves using deadly force it would seem...

As for the cops taking orders... if the country is as corrupt as has been mentioned, then i'd venture that the cops have something to lose by letting the politicians die...

How's about a liddle question for the police on here... You know that rich pricks are ruining your country and fully realise that politicians are doing nothing about it, quite the opposite in fact, would you then risk your life to protect your country's politicians from its people?

Have you ever stopped to think that the cops are trying to protect the property that the protestors are destroying?
All the people on here who bag the police should stop to think what they would do if it was their shop that was being smashed up or it was their mum/dad/sis/bro that was in that bank.

[mashman]

Have you ever stopped to think that the cops are trying to protect the property that the protestors are destroying?
All the people on here who bag the police should stop to think what they would do if it was their shop that was being smashed up or it was their mum/dad/sis/bro that was in that bank.

Yes i have stopped to think... but in all honesty that's what insurance is for... it's just stuff. I'm not bagging the cops... just saying there maybe ulterior motives at work... especially if the country is as corrupt as i've read...

If it was my shop, i would have been looking forwards to the insurance company pay out and counting my lucky stars that i wasn't burned to a crisp in a bank.

I'm all for the cops... they do a terrific job... but i draw the line at the police being used as an army against the country's people... just because politicians want to be protected.

[Fatt Max]

Greeks in the poo.


Enough said.

well, they did invent it after all.......

But hey, the bubbles cant seem to organise a butt fuck at the Mardi Gras these days so fecking 'Souvlaki' to the lot of them. Wont be the first time they will go belly up I s'pose....

Hands up who wants a Taverna?

[mashman]

PAh!!!!! Would you be happy if NZ was FORCED to hand over money to support a corrupt country? because you won't get a choice.

"Alistair Darling has caved into a demand that British taxpayers underwrite at least £10bn of debt held by other European governments, amid fears that the Greek debt crisis could spread.

The deal is aimed at calming global stock markets by reassuring traders that there are measures to stop any contagion caused by Greece from spreading to other nations such as Spain and Portugal.

The Chancellor, acting for the UK until a government is formed, agreed last night to participate in a 110bn (£95bn) stabilisation mechanism designed by finance ministers."

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dar...8a46379fb.html

will they ever learn...

[mashman]

Greek debt crisis eases, but drama is not over ... couple of fave passages

"Greece is also close to a vital debt-relief deal with banks, hedge funds, pension funds and other private investors. Under the tentative deal, the private investors would exchange €206 billion in Greek government bonds for €30 billion in cash, plus €70 billion in new bonds. The cash would come from the €130 billion package from Europe and the IMF. The new bonds would have a lower average interest rate and a longer term of maturity."... Who the fuck are these private investors? Bankers most likely deciding that they have worked oh so hard and feel that they deserve a share of €30 billion

"Much of the improvement, though, is credited to the European Central Bank, which announced a program in December designed to help stabilise shaky banks in the eurozone. The ECB said it would loan the banks unlimited amounts of money at 1 percent interest and for three years instead of the normal one. The banks responded by borrowing €489 billion. They've used at least some of that money to buy government bonds - extra demand that has helped bring down governments' borrowing costs."... So the ECB is going to loan the banks unlimited amounts of money, bwaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... what's wrong with allowing country's to borrow at that level, give them all the money they can handle and they can repay their debts whilst having a low percentage loan that they may be able to pay back.

That's UNLIMITED amounts of money and a shit load of debt written off. Looks like defaulting isn't so bad after all... Go hard JK!

[Brett]

The cops choose their career. Nobody forces them to stand in front of government buildings. If they choose to put themselves in the way of the real culprits (the politicians) then I have no sympathy when they get attacked.

If people were left to their own devices, all mayhem would be abound.

Edit - thread dredge!

[Brett]

Spend spend spend, borrow borrow borrow. Would that be why Labour was running with a surplus for many years? :P

Even a stupid accountant can fudge the books. It is not hard at all. The problem is that sooner or later the books can no longer be balanced and suddenly the shit hit the fan. Yes, Labour ran a 'surplus', but not one that was genuine nor sustainable. Shifting a fiscal problem from one area of a ledger to another without dealing with it hides it well, but allows the problem to get even worse.

[SMOKEU]

Thank fuck JK got in and broke the labour "spend spend spend and borrow, borrow borrow" model and actually is making NZ live within its means.

of course the leafties want more and more for the poor and nett takers of soceity - they are the fuckers that cause the issue - so Wayhay National ! way to go guys !

I'm not a fan of Labour (I've never voted for them, and don't think I ever will), but I'm sick of National supporters blaming Labour for all the problems this country has. If National is so good, why has fuck all changed since National came to power? JK and his fellow clowns are almost as far left as they come. The country is in huge debt, violent crime is increasing, I can't even leave my bike parked on the street safely, whores are breeding like rabbits and milking the benefits for as much money as they can, and the NZ government has bent over and taken it up the ass by the US government in the Kim Dotcom drama. National have done nothing but screw over the citizens of this country as much as they can. I could wank on and on about stupid National policies but I can't be fucked doing that because it will fall on deaf ears.

[Berries]

I can't even leave my bike parked on the street safely.

I walked up to my bike yesterday after finishing work and as I reached in to my pocket to get my key out I saw it sitting there in the ignition. I laughed, it had been there all day and nobody took it for a joy ride. Wouldn't happen in Greece, or Chch by the sound of it.