We must be doing a lot right

[Hans]

Having said that, my experiences with the NZ Police have been about 8/10 positive...

[Usarka]

Any of these occupations amongst KB members;
DAIRY FARMERS 6.8 Polluting our rivers, milking (haha!) our profits, and whinging when it rains.
BUILDERS 6.8 Leaky homes pricks.
CHEFS 6.6 Gordon Ramsay fuck fuck fuck you
PUBLIC SERVANTS 6.2 Hmmmmmm
BUSINESS LEADERS 5.9 Like the guys who run the banks?
LAWYERS 5.6 Scum sucking bottom dwellers. Not like the fish.
BANKERS 5.3 The guys who run the banks.
POLITICIANS 4.6 .......
SHAREBROKERS 4.2 .......
INVESTMENT BANKERS 4.2 Why is the world economy fucked?
REAL ESTATE AGENTS 4.1 Bottom sucking scum dwelling sellers.

Cause you all have less respect!

Wow that's a hard list to beat. The cops must be awesome.

[Hans]

No. The armed forces are the coercive arm of the state.

The police are a subset of 'public servants'.

Bollocks, sorry.

The arms of the state:

Legislative

Judicial

Coercive

...that's fairly basic civics.

This is in relation to the state's own citizenry. If the army has anything to do with that, you're either not talking about a civilised state or a normal situation.

[jrandom]

Bollocks, sorry.

The arms of the state:

Legislative

Judicial

Coercive

...that's fairly basic civics.

Legislative, judicial, and executive is what I'm used to hearing.

Where'd this 'coercive' shit come from?

Edit: get it right first time, I'm bored tonight so you're unlikely to have time for edits.

[Hans]

Legislative, judicial, and executive is what I'm used to hearing.

Where'd this 'coercive' shit come from?

From the fact that they generally have powers to make you do shit against your will in a certain set of circumstances i.e. deprive you of liberty (arrest).

[dogsnbikes]

But why Chefs??

Because we have many way's to tamper with your food

ever sent a meal back and woken up with a ring of fire the next day

[jrandom]

From the fact that they generally have powers to make you do shit against your will in a certain set of circumstances i.e. deprive you of liberty (arrest).

Yes, but you're implying that your terminology has some sort of existing acceptance with your 'fairly basic civics' carry-on. I've never heard it before.

The legislative arm has powers to make you do shit against your will by taxing you. The judicial arm can put you in jail, shift your property boundaries, and set aside commercial contracts. Might as well call every arm of gubmint coercive. And the traditional American model of a three-armed government (which doesn't entirely match our own) typically has the executive arm revolving around its ability to command armed forces and direct foreign policy.

I believe your attempt to equate the policing of citizenry with that aspect of government to be fallacious.

[Hans]

Yes, but you're implying that your terminology has some sort of existing acceptance with your 'fairly basic civics' carry-on. I've never heard it before.

The legislative arm has powers to make you do shit against your will by taxing you. The judicial arm can put you in jail, shift your property boundaries, and set aside commercial contracts. Might as well call every arm of gubmint coercive. And the traditional American model of a three-armed government (which doesn't entirely match our own) typically has the executive arm revolving around its ability to command armed forces and direct foreign policy.

I believe your attempt to equate the policing of citizenry with that aspect of government to be fallacious.

Hey, we may agree to disagree on the terminology, (I may well be a little off on the exact naming of the three, coming from a non-english background). But I do stand behind how I perceive them and the sentiment that stems from that.

Besides: The legislative branch merely sets the framework. The judicial arm merely decides on you going to prison, they don't put you in prison. The "coercive" arm enforces their decision. Have I made the distinction clearer?

[jrandom]

But I do stand behind how I perceive them and the sentiment that stems from that.

Well, yes, equating of the police with the armed forces is a traditional anarchist perspective.

I however am not an anarchist.

Would you describe yourself as one?

[jrandom]

Besides: The legislative branch merely sets the framework. The judicial arm merely decides on you going to prison, they don't put you in prison. The "coercive" arm enforces their decision. Have I made the distinction clearer?

Yes, but I don't like the terminology. 'Coercive' has a flavour of action by fiat. Your 'coercive arm' has little or no decision-making capability of its own in this broader context. In the end, in our semi-theoretical democracy in question, if a sufficient majority of the citizenry disagree with the actions of the legislative arm, the actions of your 'coercive' arm will be affected / curtailed.

Hence my preference for the definition of police as public servants. Only in democracies are they distinct from the armed forces, really, and I think that distinction is worth preserving in discussion.

[Hans]

I have never equated the police with the army, and no, I wouldn't describe myself as an anarchist.

[avgas]

Yeah I got told when I was young.
"Engineers, you can trust bloody engineers! They are the most trustworthy people on the planet because they are out there to benefit people with real things".

Then I became one and found out they are lying, cheating dirtbags. But I always considered the above statement true.

So the rest of you must be real arseholes.

[GingerMidget]

Not all of them are lying blah blah blahs as you posted...

[scissorhands]

engineers meh, too retarded to be evil



Being a cop is sometimes a thankless job, too many nutters out there to make a dent.... produce a change.... They just keep coming, wave after wave of fucktards. Thing is, the world and society that these cops defend, encourages these thieving lying fucktards.

Psychopathy is on the increase in NZ! because those who practise it, often succeed more than honest good people....These conditions have been brought about by leaders!

I have the Groove Guide Magazine in front of me, cover shows something called 'Killer Elite' photo shows 3 gangsters tooled up and cocking weapons...( this is a youth culture magazine)

So when gun crime takes hold in NZ, will the cops blame stoners? or advertising giants and music and film executives???? take a guess

[Scuba_Steve]

Be interesting to see how this next poll fairs... So far this year we've had
The illegally worn identical badges at the Occupy Auckland
The assault on Dotcom
and now this "A policewoman suspended from duty has been charged in relation to the theft of a car and the impersonation of an officer."
And we're only 2months into the year