The latest Brain Fart

[Macontour]

Hopefully the changes work. I had part time jobs before I left school and I've always worked a second part time job since I left school in 1979. I work bloody hard for comparatively low wages, I work all sorts of crappy hours, spend time away from my family, give up weekends, statutary days and my reward for all this and trying to make life better for me and mine is to pay secondary tax!!!!

We have 10s of thousands of people aged 15 to 24 who for some reason are undereducated, unmotivated, uninterested and non contributing to the rest of society. They are also a massive drain on us because they are more than likely getting involved in illegal and or antisocial activity.

The tragedy is that these "kids" are our future!! They are the ones that I am relying on to be productive and contribute to my Super in fifteen years time.

They are the ones whose efforts we need in the work force to help grow this countrys economy.

And yet they are happy to sit back and be spoonfed off our hard work!! Why?

[Zamiam]

Here's a challenge for you. If you want the right to comment declare whether you are on a benefit of not.

I am a worker, pay taxes and NEVER been on a benefit even tho I have been out of work at times.

The 21 year old has it down to its basics. Too few of us are being RAPED to support bludgers sitting on their couches drinking energy drinks playing on their ps3's etc while the rest of us are working.

Have no problem with helping those in need BUT sky tv, tobacco, takeaways, alcohol etc. aren't the necessities of life which are actually pretty basic. The government handouts make it too easy.

I also can not afford to support these bluggers. Shit I couldn't afford to drink alcohol, live on takeaways and smoke everyday AND I earn my money.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hopefully the changes work. I had part time jobs before I left school and I've always worked a second part time job since I left school in 1979. I work bloody hard for comparatively low wages, I work all sorts of crappy hours, spend time away from my family, give up weekends, statutary days and my reward for all this and trying to make life better for me and mine is to pay secondary tax!!!!

We have 10s of thousands of people aged 15 to 24 who for some reason are undereducated, unmotivated, uninterested and non contributing to the rest of society. They are also a massive drain on us because they are more than likely getting involved in illegal and or antisocial activity.

The tragedy is that these "kids" are our future!! They are the ones that I am relying on to be productive and contribute to my Super in fifteen years time.

They are the ones whose efforts we need in the work force to help grow this countrys economy.

And yet they are happy to sit back and be spoonfed off our hard work!! Why?

Partially because;
(a) Most parents give their kids things they ask for (some everything) without thought to the likelihood that their kids will grow up thinking that they can have whatever they want without sacrifice. Reward for effort is a lesson that simply isn't being taught to children.

(b) They look around and can see others who get paid for nothing (beneficiaries) who are able to sit at home and play Xbox or playstation all day long for every day of the week. Another fine motivating life lesson for them.

(c) They see people like Sue Bradford and blow rider staunchly promoting increases in handouts (for new game discs), to future proof their way of life and assuring them that they have the moral support of their community.

(etc, etc)

[flyingcrocodile46]

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest.....You will vote
for a 'welfare' Govt. only. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting
while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get
a job.

That's logical and fair
No work, no vote.
In jail, no vote.
Retired, no vote.

[Zamiam]

You forgot even company directors get millions per year still get the pension if over 65. They pay it all back in taxes, but they still get it and it is a welfare payment.

And you forget they have paid taxes and therefore have effectively paid for their super!

[Bikemad]

Here's a challenge for you. If you want the right to comment declare whether you are on a benefit of not.

challenge accepted
i have just had the last 10 months off,my choice,with no financial assistance from the Govt at all,despite the fact i have worked and contributed taxes for 35 years.I did a course at unitec which i payed for,so i could move forward in the industry i work in.
I was also hoping it might show my daughter it's never to late to improve your own situation by further education which i am happy to pay for her........she has been unemployed since xmas but has not applied for any assistance herself because she doesn't want the stigma of the "dole bludger" label........not all kids are dropkick playstation experts

[flyingcrocodile46]

challenge accepted
i have just had the last 10 months off,my choice,with no financial assistance from the Govt at all,despite the fact i have worked and contributed taxes for 35 years.I did a course at unitec which i payed for,so i could move forward in the industry i work in.
I was also hoping it might show my daughter it's never to late to improve your own situation by further education which i am happy to pay for her........she has been unemployed since xmas but has not applied for any assistance herself because she doesn't want the stigma of the "dole bludger" label........not all kids are dropkick playstation experts

You Beaut! similar story to my own though not as long without an income and not so recent.

[blue rider]

Here's a challenge for you. If you want the right to comment declare whether you are on a benefit of not.

I am a worker, pay taxes and NEVER been on a benefit even tho I have been out of work at times.

The 21 year old has it down to its basics. Too few of us are being RAPED to support bludgers sitting on their couches drinking energy drinks playing on their ps3's etc while the rest of us are working.

Have no problem with helping those in need BUT sky tv, tobacco, takeaways, alcohol etc. aren't the necessities of life which are actually pretty basic. The government handouts make it too easy.

I also can not afford to support these bluggers. Shit I couldn't afford to drink alcohol, live on takeaways and smoke everyday AND I earn my money.

i work, i pay taxes on income,
i work, i pay GST
I pay taxes for stuff I don't support.
I pay taxes for people that are not mine.
I pay taxes for others peoples kids so they go to school, get health care etc. etc because we need the future generation
I pay taxes so that old people get to live their lives out in decency
I pay taxes so that roads are being maintained even if i don't use them
I pay taxes so that housing stays affordable

i pay taxes so that the society i live in is liveable for all.

We can all stop paying taxes, get rid of the politians (because than we don't need any administrators of any puplic funds), and start maintaining our own roads, school our own children, heal our own sickness etc etc.

What a wonderfull future we all will have.

[scissorhands]

These incentives will do little to entice those with disorder or difference into a hostile and bullying work environment

Morons

[mashman]

I'll tell you why.

Because by the time Petrol taxes, Alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, ACC levies, Rates, GST and income taxes are deducted from my earnings I am lucky if the 50% I have left is enough to support my family of 4. I am not saving, I am self employed and have no kiwi saver. By the time I retire I will have little if anything with which to support myself and may well be worse off than the the beneficiaries who's mortgages I am helping to pay. It is not fair and I ain't happy about it.

I'll say it again. I simply can't afford this burden which I had no part in creating.

Cutting back is not only fairer but essential as to carry on as is, is simply unsustainable.

You're not alone in paying for those things ya know. I have 3 kids in NZ, I pay the top whack of everything, am self-employed (currently) have had about 3-4 months not working over the last year, not claiming and ran my savings into the ground. I fought with the bank for a payment holiday (total and utter bunch of wankers), couldn't sell my house coz the builder was another fuckin wanker (long story, coulda lost everything), have no kiwisaver and by the time I retire I will have little if anything to support myself and my wife. We can't afford my wife to go to work (she wants to) because it will cost a fortune in childcare (so she can't just take any old job) and I'd rather she looked after them than one of you dodgy bastards. And given 3 months unemployment at any given point in time and we could lose absolutely everything we've worked for since joining the workfarce.

It's as fair as it gets in this finacial system, get the fuck over it as there are worse off than yourself and plenty more in the same position as you. Yet you'd rather penalise the whole group in the pursuit of less than 1% of the group. Tis geniuses like you that have dragged the world down basing a persons value to society on their financial contribution. Uber fuckin fail. Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but removing one's head from one's arse may well be a good start. In the meantime there's 150,000+ jobs needed, there are maybe 50,000 in the country and probably 100,000 who want to work, where's your solution? Vote National?

Cutting back will lead to more crime. Why do you think criminals commit crime? To get more money! So sure, go ahead, squeeze them some more and let's see what happens.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You're not alone in paying for those things ya know. I have 3 kids in NZ, I pay the top whack of everything, am self-employed (currently) have had about 3-4 months not working over the last year, not claiming and ran my savings into the ground. I fought with the bank for a payment holiday (total and utter bunch of wankers), couldn't sell my house coz the builder was another fuckin wanker (long story, coulda lost everything), have no kiwisaver and by the time I retire I will have little if anything to support myself and my wife. We can't afford my wife to go to work (she wants to) because it will cost a fortune in childcare (so she can't just take any old job) and I'd rather she looked after them than one of you dodgy bastards. And given 3 months unemployment at any given point in time and we could lose absolutely everything we've worked for since joining the workfarce.

It's as fair as it gets in this finacial system, get the fuck over it as there are worse off than yourself and plenty more in the same position as you. Yet you'd rather penalise the whole group in the pursuit of less than 1% of the group. Tis geniuses like you that have dragged the world down basing a persons value to society on their financial contribution. Uber fuckin fail. Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but removing one's head from one's arse may well be a good start. In the meantime there's 150,000+ jobs needed, there are maybe 50,000 in the country and probably 100,000 who want to work, where's your solution? Vote National?

Cutting back will lead to more crime. Why do you think criminals commit crime? To get more money! So sure, go ahead, squeeze them some more and let's see what happens.

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

[MSTRS:Me]

Jobs/employment beget jobs.

Really? I have a job (self-employed for 20 years) - and I've been applying for jobs for about a year now. Probably 2-3 week now. Guess what? I've had 2, count them, 2, interviews in all that time. There's no job out there that can take on the 300+ applicants it draws.

[Bassmatt]

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

What are these 50000 jobs you speak of?
The facts dont support your arguments only a small number could be considered "career beneficiaries". Typical NZ response punish the majority in order to fix the (percieved) problem.

, over two thirds of DPB recipients (67.7%) are on the DPB for less than four years. More than a quarter of them (26%) are on it for less than a year, even during the recession. If this is a lifestyle choice, it is hardly a fashionable one.

only 3.1 % of those on the DPB are under 20 years of age – and that figure has barely flickered since 2005, when the figure was 2.9 %. Put another way, 97% of the people on the DPB are NOT the ‘very young women’ of Key’s lurid imagination. There are in fact, significantly more people on the DPB over 55 years of age (5.6%) than there are ‘very young women’ receiving this benefit.

Looking across all forms of benefits, 61.4 % of recipients are benefit dependent for four years or less. Only 14.3 % are on benefits for more than ten years – and since those figures include people with chronic physical and mental disabilities, the ratio of those staying on benefits because it is a “lifetime, lifestyle choice’ is lower again

http://werewolf.co.nz/2011/02/ten-myths-about-welfare/

[oneofsix]

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

where did this 1% come from? Even way back in Sir Robert Muldon's day the IMF was talking 10% unemployed and then you have your old and sick on top of that. That was with a good level of employment, not in a recession designed to reduce the lower paid even further like now

[mashman]

I am not against contributing to sustainable assistance for people who really need it (mostly should only be short term). BUT, the proportion of freeloaders is a hell of a lot more than 1%. (your own figures above indicate that 50,000 people don't want work... and their dependents also need to be supported by the tax payers and there is another 50,000 plus dependents who should be off welfare and into the available 50,000 jobs) If you can't see that the current culture is unsustainable then I suggest it is your own head and arse that needs attention.

I agree with that, but forcing people into jobs they don't want is the part I have the problem with. If it's just to remove the financial strain, then I'd suggest people start looking at job sharing but with far better pay. The big problem here is the pay. If the pay is shit you're asking people to work for next to nothing and I can fully understand why people would rather take what is available from the govt and then top the rest up in "other" ways. The current culture will never be sustainable and this "new" one isn't going to do anything other than push people into getting their hands on cash instead of a piece of card that limits their choices. You're dealing with human beings here, not robots... they won't just do as they're told and I see the steps by the govt as a huge leap backwards. $10 is not an incentive, the govt aren't trying as we know those at the bottom of the pile will get around the system in any number of ways, they're politicising the issue to appease people like yourself. Again I'm not being nasty, but these "policies" are total and utter bullshit and do nothing for that 1%, ok maybe more, but is 10% worth screwing over 90% of people for? Where do you stop?

If the govt were smart they'd offer 1 brand of cigs and 1 brand of booze also. Then they can poison them, end of problem . They have no imagination and no will to do any better, they just have to appease you and make anyone that is unemployed seem like a vampire of the state. Looks like they've succeeded.

Jobs/employment beget jobs. Unemployed freeloaders beget more freeloaders.

Rubbish. Rubish(ish).