Bitter much?Originally Posted by awayatc
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Bitter much?
Come warm yourself by the fire
Here is the tip of the iceberg stuff http://idealog.co.nz/news/2011/12/en...-debate-miningOh go on, I know you're dying to.
IPENZ representation of engineers in NZ are similar to what BRONZ did for Motorcyclists in NZ.
As said earlier, I have no problems with the concept and idea of associations........just with the wankers who seek power through these mediums.
Fat fucks in Unions who don't do any REAL work are stealing my oxygen. They have no right being there, they don't know what its like, and they are only doing this for their own benefit.
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Come warm yourself by the fire
Oh boo hoo.
We all started off as the 'boy' on site. You know this when you start. You end up doing the shit jobs when you start anywhere.
Likewise when you start a job and you see the risks......its hardly an unknown. I have walked off site when a crane or digger driver is not up to standard - I was covered by OSH, so are these workers. You have every right to drop tools and walk out if there is a possibility OSH problem. THAT IS LAW (H&S 1992). You MUST be paid as well while the problem is remedied.
Having a cry about it probably means it shouldn't be your chosen career path.
Plenty of other monkeys to train if you want to have a cry about it.
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Those are the three things I know about it. And possibly the only truths too...
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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Could it be time to move on?
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I guess there comes a time when all industries 'change' and eventually workers need to change with it.
The point is that all the stakeholders should (ideally) gain something from the change.
Personally I'd have taken the changed conditions (as I understand them)
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Jealous are you?
I get 4 weeks holidays and 15 days sick leave per year - all achieved by the unions - I believe in Germany it's 6 weeks paid leave (I may be wrong there)
Seems that a lot of people on here don't earn very much...
They seem happy to accept payment for jobs that, in real terms, have been decreasing for years...
So...do they try and boost their earnings - work out better wages and conditions with their employers, or for their employees....
or are they happy to accept their miserable incomes for the amount of work they consider they do? Seems like it to me - and woe betide any jobs that still have a strong union which has got better pay and conditions for their members. Obviously they are all lazy fucks getting shit loads of money for fuck all work and deserve to be brought down to our level - or lower - better still - let the lazy overpaid fucks go on the dole, then we can really get stuck into them!
Everything you read in the paper is true....every release from the Port Authorities is true because they have the power so it must be so! Every spin of the government must be right because that nice John Key (who has made lots of money) says so!
Do any of you guys ever step back and look at yourselves.....ever seek out all the information available on a topic before committing your mouths to print? Or is everything judged on old, outdated false misconceptions because once you saw something that might have agreed with the viewpoint being put across!
Paul has every right to be concerned about his perception of this situation, because it's a classic "destroy the unions tactic" used by Governments and big business the world over - manufacture a crisis, have the media spin it all in their favour utilising the public's antipathy towards unions, feeding false, misleading or malicious information to all their friendly outlets and try and whip up a public storm that results in them getting their objectives. This current government has used it very successfully in the past term on several occasions. So have all the Gov.s before!
- I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion. - Thomas Jefferson
A fully informed society is one that is not easily lead - NZ society (as most around the world, alas), are woefully informed and easily lead - like a bull by rope through the ring in it's nose! And so it is in this case (just one of many a.t.m.)
On strike - They were locked out by management for wanting to negotiate management demands - then sacked! Rather a different thing!
- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
Smarty pants... since ages ago
Dubious information ... ??? it was on TV and in the papers ... right ???
Media are after a story. What is reported depends on the point of view of the reporter. What information is given to the media from both sides ... and what is reported ... may not be the entire story.
Blackmail is only when one party has something the other party needs. In this case ... is that really how it stands... ??? Can the port authoritys do without them ???
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
The instructions are simple...
Of course, Unions would never 'destroy governments and industry, would they? Oh - hang on....
I'd say that between 'greedy' unions, employers, shareholders and govts, they've about fucked the place. And with 500 people after every job that's going, wages are not about to rise any time soon.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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Yup - in a nut shell thats the bit I don't get. Its been a long time since I was a Union Branch Committee member and I had not realised things had deteriorated that far. Pretty sure under the old ways that was illegal?
Like I said - work places change (mine sure did) when it was 'privatised'. But honestly the customers were no better off (they think they are but trust me they aint), the public are no better off and as a society we were a lot worse off. Training was destroyed, profits sent overseas, skills were lost and young people lost a chance to get into a high tech industry at the ground level. Now we have to import people from o/seas to do medium skill jobs. Jobs that should be going to young guys here.
So Yes - contracting works if you are qualified and have a skill to sell but its hard yards getting started know and THAT is going to bite all us qualified boomers in the arse in a few years time. In my case I got out early and work on a salary in the office these days but stepping away from a narrow me me view and looking at the wider picture - I'm fucked if I can how the working classes are better off. All it seems to have done is fuel the gap between rich and poor.
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Not 100% sure thats this the case here. It just feels a bit odd.
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My German workmate thought so as well, but Mr Wiki says four.
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There is a reason why we needed to invent Unions.....it was because of the Employers.
The Heart is the drum keeping time for everyone....
Come warm yourself by the fire
Quick question. Do you think the world will end when you go? Or because you stayed?
If you reread your post - you might be a bit biased......or what was it called again "set in your ways".
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The instructions are simple...
I spoke in general terms, rather than specifically about POA. Of that debacle, I only know what I see in the odd TV headline with images of pickets (meaning next to nothing).
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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