Do you want to keep the NZTA's opt out?

[FJRider]

You have had to fill out an MR31 for years. In the case of the murder I mentioned it was the MR31 that linked the criminal to the victim. As it should have, as it how he found the victim.

A paper trail that can be followed. Those abusing the system (even those assisting in the abuse of the system) can be prosecuted.

Councils etc have always and will always have access. Private parking companies appear to have access. Maybe they shouldn't. Winston in another thread described how this enabled his Father to track him and his Mother down and enforce some home justice.

No doubt the matter was referred to the police for further action.

[The registered person is (always) not the legal owner.

There is no relationship between the two.

If NO relationship applies ... why is an owner/phyisical address required on applications for vehicle registration... ???

[Other services provide the vehicles ownership history, without disclosing the names of the owner. The dealer can still tell the number of owners, and if its been a taxi etc.

If they have no need of the service ... any application for the information would be declined. The fact that some applications have been declined ... is some proof the system is working. Maybe not to the satisfaction of those "found" though.

[The issue is, hundreds of thousands of people opted out expecting it would improve their privacy, safety and security. And with only 9 out of 30,000+ queries declined by the NZTA its pretty clear thats not happening.

And what percentage of that "30,000+ queries" were subject to the misuse of this system. And what percentage of those were reported to police ... ???
An option in registration is to list your address at one that you are NOT living at. Simple really ...

[And if there is any contract that needs enforcing, hit and run accident damage etc, then its an enforcement issue, and all thats required to get the information for your insurer is a complaint to the police.

That has always been the case ... just some preferred to find the persons responsible, and meet out their own justice. (often deservedly so in some cases) Do those that try to hide in an "Opt-out" scheme in such cases, have any right to privacy,safety and security .... ???

[davereid]

A paper trail that can be followed. Those abusing the system (even those assisting in the abuse of the system) can be prosecuted. No doubt the matter was referred to the police for further action.
Yes, there was a murder. It was referred to police. So were several rapes and assaults. No doubt some went unreported. Best the crime never occured don't you think ?


If NO relationship applies ... why is an owner/phyisical address required on applications for vehicle registration... ???
The registered person is responsible for Tolls and tickets. They are not necessarily the legal owner.


If they have no need of the service ... any application for the information would be declined. The fact that some applications have been declined ... is some proof the system is working. Maybe not to the satisfaction of those "found" though.
Nope. They dont vet any of the electronic applications.


And what percentage of that "30,000+ queries" were subject to the misuse of this system. And what percentage of those were reported to police ... ???
An option in registration is to list your address at one that you are NOT living at. Simple really ...
So you would rather lie than have the system made safe ?



That has always been the case ... just some preferred to find the persons responsible, and meet out their own justice. (often deservedly so in some cases) Do those that try to hide in an "Opt-out" scheme in such cases, have any right to privacy,safety and security .... ???
Yes. No one has the right to bash other people up, or meet out their own justice. Its the entire reason the database should be kept confidential.

[GingerMidget]

If you don't believe in the sanctity of the 'opt out' do what I do. Register it under a different address. I have both opted out, and chosen to register my stuff to a different address. Purely because if the person I'm hiding from goes to that address, well he will leave pretty flamin quickly.

Got your tinfoil helmet yet?

[davereid]

If you don't believe in the sanctity of the 'opt out' do what I do. Register it under a different address. I have both opted out, and chosen to register my stuff to a different address. Purely because if the person I'm hiding from goes to that address, well he will leave pretty flamin quickly. Got your tinfoil helmet yet?

Interesting paradox that you have to break the law and lie about where you live to stop yourself getting a bashing, yet you think people who want the opt-out to work are paranoid.

You will love it soon when the NZTA start to verify addresses, so you will find your old mate on your doorstep.

What ya gonna do then ? Whine on here that the opt out doesn't work ?

[FJRider]

Yes, there was a murder. It was referred to police. So were several rapes and assaults. No doubt some went unreported. Best the crime never occured don't you think ?

Was these crimes before or after the recent changes as to who gets the information ???

The registered person is responsible for Tolls and tickets. They are not necessarily the legal owner.

No ... actually the DRIVER of the vehicle, is responsible for the toll's and tickets. Under the current leglislation, registered/legal owner must provide details of who was the driver at the time of tolls/tickets issued to that vehicle. I think liable for a $10,000 fine if they don't provide those details.

Nope. They dont vet any of the electronic applications.

There is still the electronic "trail" leading to who applied for the infomation. Any complaints may result in their ability to apply for the information in the future ... be denied.

So you would rather lie than have the system made safe ?

A secure address where you can recieve mail (if only registration mail) like a trusted friend, or realitive, or non residential (work) address .... is not lying. Perfectly legal. And has been a common practice for some time.

[Yes. No one has the right to bash other people up, or meet out their own justice. Its the entire reason the database should be kept confidential.

Even if they totally deserved it ... yes.
Back to the "I have my rights arguement" ... contact with "offending" persons in those case ... did not always end in "the bash" result. Some (both parties) were happy to keep it away from the Police/court system.
Usually for reasons to avoid Police/public attention ... are reasons the ability to get their information is being argued against.

[davereid]

Was these crimes before or after the recent changes as to who gets the information ???
It doesnt matter as the information is still freely available.

No ... actually the DRIVER of the vehicle, is responsible for the toll's and tickets. Under the current leglislation, registered/legal owner must provide details of who was the driver at the time of tolls/tickets issued to that vehicle. I think liable for a $10,000 fine if they don't provide those details.
The registered person is not necessarily the owner. It doesnt matter how many times you say it, it wont change.


There is still the electronic "trail" leading to who applied for the infomation. Any complaints may result in their ability to apply for the information in the future ... be denied. You mean after they have murdered raped or beaten someone up their access will be revoked ? Thats handy.

A secure address where you can recieve mail (if only registration mail) like a trusted friend, or realitive, or non residential (work) address .... is not lying. Perfectly legal. And has been a common practice for some time.
So you are arguing that you dont need the opt out because you can use a fake address. Wait till the address you claim is verified, then that wont work. In the mean time, the "trusted friend, or realitive" can get the bash on your behalf.

Even if they totally deserved it ... yes.
Back to the "I have my rights arguement" ... contact with "offending" persons in those case ... did not always end in "the bash" result.
So you only bashed people sometimes ? Cool, you are a nice guy.

Some (both parties) were happy to keep it away from the Police/court system Usually for reasons to avoid Police/public attention ... are reasons the ability to get their information is being argued against. Yes your have said why you like things to be kept clear of the police.

[GingerMidget]

Fake address eh? Its been in my family since before I was born, and anyone from NZTA is more than welcome to see if it exists or not.

I'd explain it, but I don't care what you think.

[FJRider]

It doesnt matter as the information is still freely available.

All the information is available in MANY places ... depends on where you look.

The driver of the vehicles are responsible for toll and ticket fee's (and always has been) ... and registered owners are required to give information to the relevant authorities if asked (subject to a large fine if they don't) regardless who the LEGAL owner is. Nothing will change that.

My registered address is not FAKE ... my mail gets delivered there ... including power and telephone bills .... and I recieve it all.

Non-existant address's ARE illegal though.

I never needed to bash anybody ... and if some are more than happy to pay for repairs ... than get the matter handed back to police ... all the better for me.

[scracha]

I've stolen this and posted on farcebook. Email sent. Ran out of bling. People DO THIS. You don't want any fuckwit with eyes on your motor finding out where you store it. You really don't want any fuckwit with eyes on your missus finding out where she lives.

Its possible to OPT-OUT of having the personal details the NZTA collect on you in the motor vehicle register being sold.

The opt-out was introduced after public concern that it enabled towies, dodgy car dealers, and general scumbags to find out a persons name and address, by filling out a form MR31.

Many vehicles were stolen by this mechanism, and there were rapes and even murders where the person was tracked down from the MVR record.

The NZTA are not enforcing the OPT-OUT. The MR31 is no longer available at the post-shop, and every application is supposed to be vetted, but this is not happening. They have declined only a handful of MR31 applications (less than ten out of tens of thousands of applications have been declined.)

Worse, they have given automatic MR31 approval (ie no vetting required) to a wide range of companies and individuals.

If you want the protection of the OPT OUT back, we need your help.

A simple email to info@nzta.govt.nz with OIA REQUEST in the subject line is a start.

Ask them how many MR31 requests (including preapproved electronic ones) have been made on opted out persons, and how many have resulted in the release of the information. If you aren't happy that they sell you personal details, or it means you don't trust them enough to use your main or real address, say so.

The NZTA don't think anyone is watching, and they don't think anyone cares. A few emails will be of immense importance in getting the opt out back.

Thanks

Dave

[davereid]

My registered address is not FAKE ... my mail gets delivered there ... including power and telephone bills .... and I recieve it all.

OK, so you and GingerMidget are fine as you have alternative addresses. Thats great, well done.

I'll continue advocating for the majority of people who have their real place of residence recorded.

[winston]

Did this ages ago.

yea i opted out but it didnt help they still gave my addess to tonament parking. i have complained as i was opt out the bastards

[slofox]

yea i opted out but it didnt help they still gave my addess to tonament parking. i have complained as i was opt out the bastards

I've emailed them again. No reply as yet. Bastards!

[oneofsix]

yea i opted out but it didnt help they still gave my addess to tonament parking. i have complained as i was opt out the bastards

The opt out only stopped them selling your address to people who just wanted to buy a list of addresses, people like direct marketing companies. When I read what you were opting out of it was F all of nothing.

If a company or person had a seeming legitimate reason for needing you address they could still obtain it. Tow companies etc are in a business where they could have reasons for wanting owners addresses so to save money I can imagine NZTA would want to give them a kind of blanket access rather than go through the one off process each and every time they had say towed a vehicle and were trying to track the owner (that happens, rignt? ).

I think those people who tried to pay their tolls via credit card have a bigger bitch (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10796837) but this is a concern about just how bad their systems, perhaps it is another one of Crusher's initiatives to get people to pay the govt.
Perhaps they will now mail all opt outers the addresses of all the others that have opt'd out. Something to look forward to.

[davereid]

The opt out only stopped them selling your address to people who just wanted to buy a list of addresses, people like direct marketing companies. When I read what you were opting out of it was F all of nothing.

If a company or person had a seeming legitimate reason for needing you address they could still obtain it. Tow companies etc are in a business where they could have reasons for wanting owners addresses so to save money I can imagine NZTA would want to give them a kind of blanket access rather than go through the one off process each and every time they had say towed a vehicle and were trying to track the owner (that happens, rignt? ).

I think those people who tried to pay their tolls via credit card have a bigger bitch (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10796837) but this is a concern about just how bad their systems, perhaps it is another one of Crusher's initiatives to get people to pay the govt.
Perhaps they will now mail all opt outers the addresses of all the others that have opt'd out. Something to look forward to.

The NZTA seem to be struggling here.

They are releasing information for a wide range of reasons to a wide range of individuals and businesses.

However the releases made under the OIA don't seem to be considering the fact that when an individual has said DON'T release my information this has to be considered as a very good reason NOT to release the information.

And the law doesn't allow release of information for other than the purposes of law enforcement, maintenance of the security of New Zealand, collection of charges imposed or authorised by an enactment and the administration and development of transport law and policy.

While it may be very convenient for a wide range of people to have access to the register, the law doesn't seem to support the current implementation.

[Bald Eagle]

Email sent.