Rule change in BSB - do we effectively have the same rule?

[CHOPPA]

Forget the excuses,

This competitor is in his 3rd season of competition and has attended the red bull rookies cup and EJC,If he hasn't bothered to get himself up to speed with the rules and supp regs then the system and his mentors have failed him !!!!

Put simply,Had he re entered pitlane and conformed,He would today be NZ 125 GP champion as there were such few numbers in the feild that had he finished last he still would have scored enough points too win.

Seems a bit unfair to me that this rider was penalised and lost the championship but the championship winner should have been excluded from the results the previous meeting for not returning to the pits to get his bike checked.

Fair enough that he was excluded for acting like a muppet and not following protocol but its frustrating when the rules are not applied consistantly

[Billy]

I never said out on track... Im talking about scruitineering in general and when you have your bike check between races



Wow that is a pretty big rule, not a bad idea but will need some fine tuning....

Seems counterintuitive to let a rider return to the pits at race speed to have there bike checked. I would have thought if the rule is designed for riders safety then the next corner is where he will find he has no brakes.... And if the rule is designed for fluid dropping, by the time the rider gets back to the pits he would have left oil everywhere and usually the rider would be aware of this before he got to the pits.

Also there is going to have to be an inspector ready and waiting in pit lane at all times

You probably need to read the rule as introduced in BSB before commenting further,Their ruling does NOT allow for the competitor to ride the machine back to pitlane.

[Billy]

Seems a bit unfair to me that this rider was penalised and lost the championship but the championship winner should have been excluded from the results the previous meeting for not returning to the pits to get his bike checked.

Fair enough that he was excluded for acting like a muppet and not following protocol but its frustrating when the rules are not applied consistantly

Yip,

Thats fair comment,But in this case there was a little more to it if you followed the whole incident from the time the machine hit the ground.

Also while MNZ do try to administer the rules as fairly as they can,For the most part it is not MNZ officials calling the shots,In some cases they are club officials who occasionally get it wrong,In which case all competitors in that race have the option of protesting or atleast approaching the MNZ steward and pointing out the incident.

[quallman1234]

Hehehe, *Subscribes*

[CHOPPA]

You probably need to read the rule as introduced in BSB before commenting further,Their ruling does NOT allow for the competitor to ride the machine back to pitlane.

How will this rule work regarding a red flag situation?

If you crash and cause a red flag, race goes back to previous lap so technically you havnt crashed during the race. Can you get your bike rechecked and restart the race?

[Billy]

How will this rule work regarding a red flag situation?

If you crash and cause a red flag, race goes back to previous lap so technically you havnt crashed during the race. Can you get your bike rechecked and restart the race?

Err,Just cause the result goes back a lap,Doesn't mean you didnt crash and possibly damage your machine,As I suggested,Go to the BSB rules and read the whole rule.

[CHOPPA]

Err,Just cause the result goes back a lap,Doesn't mean you didnt crash and possibly damage your machine,As I suggested,Go to the BSB rules and read the whole rule.

Have read there rules so the answer is that if you crash and the race is restarted because you have crashed you cant restart.

This clears up the red flag problem that I raised earlier. Good

[Mental Trousers]

Good point,Except at this stage there is no rule preventing the competitor from re mounting and riding back to pit lane.

That's the only bit that was unclear for me. Cheers.

[jellywrestler]

Seems a bit unfair to me that this rider was penalised and lost the championship but the championship winner should have been excluded from the results the previous meeting for not returning to the pits to get his bike checked.

just proves that the rider you're talking about was not familiar with the rulebook else he could've protested at HD and had the other competitor disqualified from the results, and he would've known the go at Taupo too...

one thing is clear to me is that while we've got a lot of young folk coming through how many are actually picking up the rule book themselves and familiarising themselves with it.
Methinks maybe there can be a bit of freelance entertainment a the prizegivings next season eh?

[Billy]

Have read there rules so the answer is that if you crash and the race is restarted because you have crashed you cant restart.

This clears up the red flag problem that I raised earlier. Good

Careful now,Don't want to be seen to agreeing on anything here,This is kiwibiker LOL!

Looks like a good commonsense rule to me for sure.

[Skunk]

Against my better judgement I am going to comment.
Very few commenting here heard the radio calls and know what was going on at Taupo so I'd suggest that not too much is read into it when looking at this rule change.

I do think it's time for the red flag/rejoining rules to be looked at; and the bike recheck system.

[speights_bud]

Against my better judgement I am going to comment.
Very few commenting here heard the radio calls and know what was going on at Taupo so I'd suggest that not too much is read into it when looking at this rule change.

I do think it's time for the red flag/rejoining rules to be looked at; and the bike recheck system.

I was thinking the same thing and also agree with you.


While we are discussing such things...
There are ways that will help getting bikes back to pit lane within a reasonable time frame, without risking riding a potentially damaged bike.

For example:
At the final National round attaching a Trailer to Super-Quad enabled the bikes to be loaded much faster and returned to pit lane behind the last bike to clear the track. Much faster than waiting for the track to be clear & sending out a recovery vehicle etc.

This also reduces the risk of fluid being spilled onto the track while loading as the quads can load up in the middle of the Sandpits no problemo. But when loading onto a recovery vehicle that is parked on the track itself, spillage can occur. One Superbike picked up that weekend dribbled oil out of its belly pan when it was backed up then pushed forward and uphill onto the trailer.

Just something other clubs could look into as it is an effective way to reduce downtime and keep on schedule.

[suzuki21]

one thing is clear to me is that while we've got a lot of young folk coming through how many are actually picking up the rule book themselves and familiarising themselves with it.

Are you seriously implying someone under 25 years old would want to actually do something, rather than expect someone to do it for them?

[Mental Trousers]

Are you seriously implying someone under 25 years old would want to actually do something, rather than expect someone to do it for them?

Don't be like that. Just throw the rules up on Facebook (rewritten in txt language of course) 5 minutes before a race and the young un's will be up to date in no time.

[ajturbo]

i used to think it was ..... "interesting" that i had to inspect a crashed raced bike.......
what do i know about bikes?..unless they were spewing oil on the dummy grid while i looked at the bike... and felt the front brake, i would let them go out... they knew their bikes!.. i thought it the funnest when Fred Merkel (SP?) got ME to inspect his son's bike.. hahahahah

and on that note... what about the buckets.. i have been known to crash a few times in the 6 lap race.....