Originally Posted by codgyoleracer
It's not fair to make fun of 'challenged' people you two!Pretty sure he's done it more than once
Fully qualified Sifter.
It's not fair to make fun of 'challenged' people you two!Pretty sure he's done it more than once
Glen Williams
Is a NEW license too easy to get - Yes (A simple application test 10 questions, followed by a further test after 3 meetings completed, would seem to make sense)
Is a NEW license too expensive relative to a re-newal - Yes, the evidince for this only needs to be seen when you try to join your local golf, squash, or tennis club etc (they hook you in with a deal for new members - then hope you remain part of the club for year to come via often slightly higher than first year/join membership fees). They know that NEW members are GOLD, existing members only require maintenance.
Should MNZ have a competitor in the markeplace of motorcycle sport - Probably, then everything would change............. and it would likely all get a lot more expensive !
Forum whore
MNZ has plenty of competitors in the offroad side, and all of them are cheaper, infact none of them require you to have an expensive peice of paper that is our race liceince, and lot of the events are better run, more fun to race in, cheaper to enter and better supported than the MNZ National championships that run in the same types of races, (some of them are poorly run and poorly attended as well, but then are some MNZ events as well)
KB Chief Cat Herder
and there's a problem right there. On the one hand you need new members to help grow the sport (everything we do should ultimately contribute to the growth of the sport) but on the other hand you don't want the new and inexperienced to be able to get in over their heads.
No, I don't think there should be a competitor. Not in NZ anyway as the market is simply too small and fracturing the current community can only be harmful rather than productive.
Zen wisdom: No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. - obviously had KB in mind when he came up with that gem
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
one placenta
...from feedback I have already from our club members.we dont really need another body to assist in the "fracturing' of our sport...they seem to be a doing a great job of that on their lonesome...our membership has been dropping for a while and I hate to think how many will pack it in or not join our sport because of hikes in fee's...and forget the 'overseas they get charged squillions, argument...we are not overseas and I cant talk about off-road, but we are just managing to hold onto the sport here...
...growing the sport?...
Hardcore Biker
OK Just to ensure I understand.
Riders want more organisationally expertise
Riders want safer facilities
Riders want better facilities
Riders want better events
Riders want to be on TV
Riders want the show (nationals) to more professional
Riders want media activity to be increased
Riders want funding to be available for assistance for international events
Riders want .... riders want
My point is not picking on anyone or anything and riders should be asking for improvement in the above but lots of wants and only one question, How do MNZ deliver the wants or even some of them without the funding?
So forget all the wants and needs and make the full licence $100, how many members will join up that did not before? I guess bugger all.
So what is the answer then?....
Forum whore
this is my opinion, MNZ should be an insuracne company, that provides the rules and regualtions to keep it their, currently esp on the dirt side they are pricing themselves out of that market, and clubs and promotors are running with out them, I think this price increase will not help the current poeple leaving, CLubs like Whakatane and the Tarawera TBRC have grown bigger since leaving MNZ,
The events are run by clubs/promotors, and so are the facilities, and I think the TV should be thier responsibilty as well,
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Forum whore
Re the proposed licence changes. I have provided feedback to MNZ indicating that as far as I was concerned the cost benefit was wrong. As a full licence holder I got all the cost (57 dollar increase) and the club riders got all the benefit (access to more meetings but only a $10 increase).
It suits me to hold a full licence, but I get nothing new for the $57 dollars which seems to be supporting everyone else supposedly getting a licence.
Thanks for making me feel like I'm getting value out of this. Not. More like bled, Additionally my sums (assuming 75% of those who hold a full licence will go to a Club licence) will actually drive a lower revenue take for MNZ meaning less money for other stuff.
As my brother said on the phone, the proposed structure actually limits the potential pool of riders who will do national events as they'll all grab a club licence and when a local nationals meeting comes up, they'll all cry poor and not enter.
Getting a licence in NZ is too easy. I understand that MNZ have been looking at skills based stuff with pre race meeting proof of riding / training. A good step. Unfortuntaley NZ doesn;t have the base as Aussie and Uk for a graduated system like they do or have had done.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
If there is a perceived problem with inexperienced riders coming in to the sport, it will correct itself shortly. The economic downturn will see to that OK...racing support is cyclical anyway, at present it's just coming off a peak and will IMO continue to drop for a couple of years yet.
When I started racing there were probably 20 active roadracers in the SI...we all knew one another well.
The licencing thing shouldn't get harder IMO - In ChCh my impression is that most use day licences as the Club licence doesn't suit here. The 3 local clubs recognise each others members but the club licence as I understand it is one club specific....a pain. IMO it should cover all the clubs in a region. The situation here doesn't encourage having a club licence and only the serious guys go for the full for the Nats.
Please please don't go like Kartsport...that's the most heavily over - regulated sport in NZ.
one placenta
I have to agree with scott411 and his insurance comment
i'm motarded
Well it wasnt easy forking out a whole years fees just to get a Licence that only lasts for 2 months.
Forum whore
Riders want more organisationally expertise >>>> Will this happen by these increases?
Riders want safer facilities >>>>> Does MNZ propose to pay Track owners to assist with this.
Riders want better facilities >>>>> Does MNZ propose to pay Track owners to assist with this. See above
Riders want better events >>>>> I am happy with the standard of events we have ,speaking as a club rider who does street meets
Riders want to be on TV >>>>> Is this relevent to most riders , I hate watching P1P2P3, when i dont run in top 3 and that all they show
Riders want media activity to be increased >>>>> how does that help the standard of racing? See above
Riders want the show (nationals) to more professional >>>>yes of course but MNZ people didnt make parts of Rd 1 this year look too good
Riders want funding to be available for assistance for international events >>>> yes
MNZ want .... MNZ want
IS MNZ just wanting to be a media company?
Was last years price increase a test to see how much we could stand? Nothing from that has flowed down to me, not that I ever expect any to
MMMM almost a double post !
Last edited by Yow Ling; 7th May 2012 at 13:24. Reason: respect
My neighbours diary says I have boundary issues
Fully qualified Sifter.
Yeah the fucking assholes did that to me last time I got my MNZ licence. And for that...it will definately be THE last licence I'll ever get from the fucking useless homos.
Forum whore
yes i rang up and asked in late april how much to renew my liceinse until 30 June, answer same price, so ill just do non mnz events till then, or get a day liceince for the 1 or 2 meetings i want,
(but to be fair to MNZ, Speedway NZ did the same thing, so it was day liceinses there as well)
Forum whore
Hey dont give the Gays a bad name !
My neighbours diary says I have boundary issues
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