Beneficiary contraception plan 'intrusive'

[HenryDorsetCase]

Nationals plan is to take the unwanted babies and use them for genetic experiments to create a new breed of super soldiers to defend teh Reich from the likes of Sue Bradford, and to be hired out to anyone who can pay.

[Genestho]

Yeah I don't get Sue B at all on this. If the contraception is given discretely and free it just give women MORE choices without sacrificing the family budget. Like you I know heaps of ladies left to bring up kids by ratbags and not one of them wants another child at that time. The rabid minority who deliberately have kids for extra bene money are unreachable anyway and wont change. Good on the govt I say.

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EXACTLY!! You got it, Paul. Most women don't want more children in the situation they've been left with, they DON'T choose the beneficiary lifestyle but land there by circumstance, they will take this opportunity for the contraceptive assistance, free doctors visit and the subsidised childcare (brilliant!), and this is the group (read: the majority) that will take every opportunity to better themselves as opposed to the stereotypical long term child breeding factories who are the minority.

Ole Sue, I think she's just gettin' busy stirring the up masses getting some media attention, hot on the heels of some rather busy Mana protesting..

[Paul in NZ]

What annoys me most about all of this is that there is obviously a hugely expensive problem in our society. One party tries something and all the howler monkeys on the other parties start braying. SOMETHING has to be done or all of us will be paying for these kids forever. I'd rather see them monitor the situation and report back on results so the systems can stand/fail on their merits.

[onearmedbandit]

It's a good idea as far as I'm concerned.

[lakedaemonian]

Yeah I don't get Sue B at all on this. If the contraception is given discretely and free it just give women MORE choices without sacrificing the family budget. Like you I know heaps of ladies left to bring up kids by ratbags and not one of them wants another child at that time. The rabid minority who deliberately have kids for extra bene money are unreachable anyway and wont change. Good on the govt I say.

I totally get Sue B on this.

She's afraid smart policies implemented to reduce the cycle of poverty will reduce her support network and gravytrain.

[Genestho]

What annoys me most about all of this is that there is obviously a hugely expensive problem in our society. One party tries something and all the howler monkeys on the other parties start braying. SOMETHING has to be done or all of us will be paying for these kids forever. I'd rather see them monitor the situation and report back on results so the systems can stand/fail on their merits.

Absolutely, it's been a long time coming and I'm glad someone actually has the 'nads to start somewhere.
We forget easily that we are very lucky to have a beneficiary scheme, I'd much rather it was there for those in genuine need with pretty fair stipulations, than not be available for anyone.

[nodrog:Me]

Whatever happened to a good old fashioned punch in the guts?

[SimJen]

Whatever happened to a good old fashioned punch in the guts?

thats class right there ^

[mashman]

IMO its not going to change a thing. Its not that expensive to use contraception anyway so WTF? meh wot a load of crap. Family Planning Clinic is cheap as chips - if your going to be a baby factory to supplement your income then this 'initiative' is not going to stop you. I thought there was already some deal where if you were on the benefit and you had more kids they would not be included anyway. Seriously? we pay the politians to come up with this shit? what a fukn waste of time.

+1... Fuck all will change as long as people are left with a choice. Contraception has always been there and we still have women getting pregnant for their own reasons how dare they. I see the bene bashers are jumping up and down with glee (much to my entertainment).

[Swoop]

Whatever happened to a good old fashioned punch in the guts?

Pretty much outlawed as far as I can see.

OSH have so many requirements now:
Has to be wearing a hi-viz vest,
Have to have orange cones set up around the punch-ee,
etc,
etc.

[Genestho]

Whatever happened to a good old fashioned punch in the guts?

Mrs Bobbit came up with an even creativerer idea.. sausage anyone?

Ok ok, moving along..

+1... Fuck all will change as long as people are left with a choice. Contraception has always been there and we still have women getting pregnant for their own reasons how dare they. I see the bene bashers are jumping up and down with glee (much to my entertainment).

Dude, I think you under-estimate the majority of solo kiwi women there has always been contraception, but not free, not free doctors visits, and certainly not the level of subsidisation for childcare as is proposed, I see the misinformed are (again) jumping up and down in outrage or in pretence of it, much to my entertainment

[Tigadee]

Explain that to the catholics.
It would cut down the churches' income and create a smaller pool of little boys for the priests to fondle if their customers had to use contraception.

Already happening: Dwindling number of church-goers reflect a society that is focusing on materialism rather than spirituality, so their stance on contraceptives won't affect what is already happening.

Yeah I don't get Sue B at all on this. If the contraception is given discretely and free it just give women MORE choices without sacrificing the family budget.

Exactly! Brilliant point!

She's afraid smart policies implemented to reduce the cycle of poverty will reduce her support network and gravytrain.

Indeed, Heaven forbid she'd actually have to think of real solutions...

Contraception has always been there and we still have women getting pregnant for their own reasons.

It's not the genuine benes who are the issue here though, it is those career ones or those who think with their bits below the belt (both male and female) rather than their brains... Note the phrase "...long-term contraception for beneficiaries and their daughters...". Read between the lines - Who would those long-term beneficiaries be?

And again, what about those partners who walk out on the women because they don't want the burden of parenthood? How would you get them to be courageous enough to take responsibility for their actions? That should be what SB should be working on, not bleating about choices or the curbing of.

It's not like these poor women have that many choices right now in this current system. Something's gotta change to get better, at least an effort is better than maintaining the rotten status quo.

[mashman]

Dude, I think you under-estimate the majority of solo kiwi women there has always been contraception, but not free, not free doctors visits, and certainly not the level of subsidisation for childcare as is proposed, I see the misinformed are (again) jumping up and down in outrage or in pretence of it, much to my entertainment

Touche... under-estimate in what sense? If condoms have been free, the contraception has been free. If they chose not to use them, then they chose not to use them . I look forwards to seeing how many women go back into the workplace, "bludger" women that is.

[SimJen]

Touche... under-estimate in what sense? If condoms have been free, the contraception has been free. If they chose not to use them, then they chose not to use them . I look forwards to seeing how many women go back into the workplace, "bludger" women that is.

don't care if they go back to work or not, if they are happy to not have so many kids then future generations won't be bludgers either!

[mashman]

don't care if they go back to work or not, if they are happy to not have so many kids then future generations won't be bludgers either!

I wish they wouldn't have so many kids too, but there will always be bludgers as it is an integral part of keeping a handle on inflation. In other words, the government require a certain percentage of their population to be unemployed. Look it up for yourself. Ideally they shouldn't be having kids, granted, but as their unemployment is a requirement of the govt, if they do decide to have children, then the children should be supported in every single way and not penalised because of the choice of career their parents made . Someone has to be unemployed, there is no way around that and as we know it isn't a glamorous lifestyle... themselves are just people who "choose" the career of not working, which also happens to be a requirement for a stable economy. Win Win, but please feel free to tell them they aren't entitled to anything because they don't work .