Comment on Commis corner

[Tony.OK]

Find us the section on flags... http://www.mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx ... I sure can't

Exactly why the rules need updating. Too many important parts seem to be missing. A section specifically for all road racing rules needs to be completed filling in all these gaps.

[DidJit]

Chapter 6 — Conduct of Competitions (Page 7 of 9)

[Tony.OK]

Chapter 6 — Conduct of Competitions (Page 7 of 9)

Thats only saying what the flags are for really.
Nothing about how long passed the flag do you have to wait till resuming racing etc.................."till danger is passed" means what?

[DidJit]

Sorry, should've included quote from MSTRS “Find us the section on flags...”

[MSTRS:Me]

Thanks DidJit.
And TonyOK is right. The whole thing needs to be re-worked and cleaned up. Some rules need to be reworded to remove any ambiguity (Parliament is not keeping lawyers busy through MNZ, are they?).

[Yow Ling]

Find us the section on flags... http://www.mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx ... I sure can't

My post no 54 included the rule, to find any thing in the rule book is a bit of a challenge , probably why most people cant be arsed with it in the first place

[MSTRS:Me]

My post no 54 included the rule, to find any thing in the rule book is a bit of a challenge , probably why most people cant be arsed with it in the first place

I don't have, and never did, a rule book. So I use the online PDF. I am prolly not unusual in that respect. Problem is - some bits are missing. For instance, for 2+ years the section on race numbers was missing the required size of those numbers. FFS.
We'd get bikes on the track with numbers that were unreadable, and the riders would argue that it didn't matter because of transponders and "Show me where it says in the rules..."

[FROSTY:Me]

My thought was it should be a distance of 50m BEYOND the incident is sufficient. Then It occurred than to quantify in ANY way at all could be cause for massive dummy spitts.--I can see it now,--Ohh my gps tracker said he was on the gas at 40m
For gosh sakes it asks for common sense to be used.
Otherwise sod it all theres an EASY rule that could be introduced. "You are to remain at the slow pace and not pass untill exactly in line (across the track) with a waved green flag.
No room for interpretation there.
But who would want that setup?
If I'm in a pack of bikes having a battle I'd be pretty pissed off if the lead bike or two got past a backmarker and I had to stay at the backmarkers pace for 200m whilst the guys that had got past were at their version of a cruise-so opening the gap for 200m
Flip side of that of course would be that it can work equally for a rider as against them.
How many times have we seen that in car racing. The guys work hard to get a gap and then the pace car means they gap is closed back up again.
The no passing rule as it stands requires riders to actually use common sense

[CHOPPA]

My thought was it should be a distance of 50m BEYOND the incident is sufficient. Then It occurred than to quantify in ANY way at all could be cause for massive dummy spitts.--I can see it now,--Ohh my gps tracker said he was on the gas at 40m
For gosh sakes it asks for common sense to be used.
Otherwise sod it all theres an EASY rule that could be introduced. "You are to remain at the slow pace and not pass untill exactly in line (across the track) with a waved green flag.
No room for interpretation there.
But who would want that setup?
If I'm in a pack of bikes having a battle I'd be pretty pissed off if the lead bike or two got past a backmarker and I had to stay at the backmarkers pace for 200m whilst the guys that had got past were at their version of a cruise-so opening the gap for 200m
Flip side of that of course would be that it can work equally for a rider as against them.
How many times have we seen that in car racing. The guys work hard to get a gap and then the pace car means they gap is closed back up again.
The no passing rule as it stands requires riders to actually use common sense

The ways the rules are at the moment it is up to the rider to determine what the incident is, oh there is a bike off the side of the track there I can get back on the gas oh shit no maybe its that pile up in the next corner....

I think the green flag at the next point is a good idea.

[scott411]

The ways the rules are at the moment it is up to the rider to determine what the incident is, oh there is a bike off the side of the track there I can get back on the gas oh shit no maybe its that pile up in the next corner....

I think the green flag at the next point is a good idea.

how big is the gap to the next flag point tho? at manfield is their a flag marshal point on the exit of Higgens, or is the at the entry to the sweeper, therefore putting the hole back straight out for passing is the green flag rule is in place,

the current rule is not perfect, but the green flag rule may be worse,

[SWERVE]

Frosty you mentioned riders using common sense...................... good luck.
Racing at zero distance at 200+kph isnt exactly a pastime of those rich in common sense..naturally.
Good old common sense is probebly one of the most prized commodities in modern society IMHO

[FROSTY:Me]

I just had an idea that would reduce the stupidity immediately. Have a trophy maker on site with a price list for trophys.
Its easy. If you want a $20 piece of plastic and wood so bad you ignore the most basic rules-we can all chip in and have a trophy made for the guy concerned. Problem solved.
Incidently i'd also suggest said trophy maker has a stock of silver plated dummies for those that spit theirs when what they want is against basic safety standards.

I do apreciate that the multi million dollar sponsorship deals and million dollar per race saleries some guys are getting for their racing may be endangered as a result but hey thats life

[FROSTY:Me]

how big is the gap to the next flag point tho? at manfield is their a flag marshal point on the exit of Higgens, or is the at the entry to the sweeper, therefore putting the hole back straight out for passing is the green flag rule is in place,

the current rule is not perfect, but the green flag rule may be worse,

Mate Im just throwing ideas out here for a minute
Ok Yellow flag out -danger signal.
So say yellow goes out at higgins entry. First thing is a green flag at the sweeper untill the higgins situation is sorted then marshal 2 at higgins waves the green at the end of the danger area.

[yungatart]

Mate Im just throwing ideas out here for a minute
Ok Yellow flag out -danger signal.
So say yellow goes out at higgins entry. First thing is a green flag at the sweeper untill the higgins situation is sorted then marshal 2 at higgins waves the green at the end of the danger area.

That assumes there is always 2 marshals per point. Its really hard to get volunteers....

[SWERVE]

That assumes there is always 2 marshals per point. Its really hard to get volunteers....

True........
So hear raises another stumbling block
Payed/fully trained marshalls - 3 per flag point... correct flags/signals at all points= happy riders + safer track etc
But that means entry fees go up as is only fair that people benefiting from service pay. IMHO
Oh no they all cry........... we cant afford higher entries (cos we are all poor and destitute)
Cos lets face it...... we are so hard done by with fees / compared to most...........NOT.

Ok......... let me have it.....