Copyright "theft" is the worst thing on the planet!

[SimJen]

hope you didnt use megaupload then,or you will make one fat german a little bit richer instead.

most who used megaupload for downloading didn't pay for the service!

[SS90]

But people like my teenage kid's friends who download music and movies are not customers. They never buy CDs and DVDs. They simply do not pay for anything and they are genuinely puzzled at the suggestion they should.

If that is common - and I believe it is - then the producers of music and film have a real problem.

Thats so correct.

I know countless people that have unbelievable hours of music on their hard drives, and I am very confident thar they have never paid for one minute of it, and as it has been going on for so long, people as you say are agasp that they should be.

Bad examples from parents in my opinion, however, the record companies need to seriously reduce the cost before anything changes.

[Tigadee]

most who used megaupload for downloading didn't pay for the service!

I don't get it then... How did the fat German bloke get so rich?

however, the record companies need to seriously reduce the cost before anything changes.

Very true. When there are thousands of recording artists out there, why is it that albums are so expensive? By right, competition and a huge selection of artists/record companies out there should drive down prices. And there they are so proud and trumpeting when an album reaches platinum after selling millions of records, blah, blah, blah...

I expect my music to be free forever if the RIAA ever gets that amount or anywhere near the billions awarded!

[nosebleed]

It must be because:



Words cannot express how retarded this is.

instead of embracing the technology, monetising it, and finding ways to make the artists they supposedly represent more wealthy, the RIAA try to make criminals of their customers, and now take more money than there is off one company.

Un-vucking-believable.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/di...-from-LimeWire

Funnily enough I caught the arse-end of a 60 Minutes the other night and McRoberts was doing one of his "catching up on a previous story" pieces.

60 Minutes 31 July 2011
"He is the only Kiwi on the FBI’s most wanted list yet it was 60 Minutes who tracked him down in the Middle East last year. Now he is back in New Zealand defrauding a whole new group of gullible victims.

For eight years New Zealand's most prolific fraudster, Wayne Davidson led the FBI on a chase around the world. 60 Minutes who found him living in Dubai where he was arrested and sent to jail. But as reporter Sarah Hall confronts Davidson again, this time here in New Zealand once again inflicting misery and loss on his targets."

The followup was that Davidson had once again returned, and still the FBI had not arrested him.

Of course all we have to do is wait till he downloads a Bieber track, then there'll be a full-scale mansion raid on this guy.

[sil3nt]

I don't get it then... How did the fat German bloke get so rich?

His site was loaded with advertising. You get a link to a file hosted on megaupload and when you click download you have to wait 30 seconds or so - to keep you looking at ads for longer and to be just annoying enough that you might pay for a premium account to remove the wait time. Then when you do download you downloaded speed is limited on a free account.

Most of the money will come from advertising. Millions of people would use the website daily which would have pulled in millions of dollars each month.

[SMOKEU]

I don't understand the whole anti piracy movement. It's so easy to get away with, and it's a victimless crime, so why not?

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't understand the whole anti piracy movement. It's so easy to get away with, and it's a victimless crime, so why not?

[Winston001]

I know countless people that have unbelievable hours of music on their hard drives...

Bad examples from parents in my opinion, however, the record companies need to seriously reduce the cost before anything changes.

Very true. When there are thousands of recording artists out there, why is it that albums are so expensive?

I agree. I remember when CDs first arrived and took over from cassettes. They were wonderful, no tape hiss, and easy to find individual tracks on. The downside was they cost $35. That was 25 years ago and today they cost $33. Go figure.

I think this horse has bolted though. If the price reduced to $8 our kids still wouldn't pay it. Too late. One cheerful lad I know has a tablet which can't run a CD or DVD. So he and his mates aren't interested unless the stuff is on a t-stick. That's how they share around, none of this old fashioned ripping to discs, so they aren't even starters for buying.

Edit: forgot that they use PS3 XBox etc to play discs.

Teens don't even bother with P2P because they can copy music from Youtube. It's probably not high fidelity but with bud earphones what do they care! My observation is that one or two kids download movies and then pass them around 8-10 friends, the rest aren't interested in downloading.

[HenryDorsetCase]

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BAHAHAHAAHAHAA I've got this on the noticeboard in our office.

[SimJen]

youtube is high quality, if you get your youtube link and paste it into this site: www.keepvid.com it gives you multiple options to download the file from Standard Def - Full HD depending on the quality of the original upload. There is now an option for mp3 download too.
Its a really good way of getting the odd SBK race or music video or whatever.

[Asher]

I agree. I remember when CDs first arrived and took over from cassettes. They were wonderful, no tape hiss, and easy to find individual tracks on. The downside was they cost $35. That was 25 years ago and today they cost $33. Go figure.

I think this horse has bolted though. If the price reduced to $8 our kids still wouldn't pay it. Too late. One cheerful lad I know has a tablet which can't run a CD or DVD. So he and his mates aren't interested unless the stuff is on a t-stick. That's how they share around, none of this old fashioned ripping to discs, so they aren't even starters for buying.

Edit: forgot that they use PS3 XBox etc to play discs.

Teens don't even bother with P2P because they can copy music from Youtube. It's probably not high fidelity but with bud earphones what do they care! My observation is that one or two kids download movies and then pass them around 8-10 friends, the rest aren't interested in downloading.

I think Itunes has gone some way of breaking the cycle. You can buy individual songs rather than the whole albums, its much cheaper than buying a physical good.

That said i dont pay for music, i have almost 200gig of music on my hard drive but the important thing is if i had to pay for it i would simply go without so they are not really loosing out on my money.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thats so correct.

I know countless people that have unbelievable hours of music on their hard drives, and I am very confident thar they have never paid for one minute of it, and as it has been going on for so long, people as you say are agasp that they should be.

Bad examples from parents in my opinion, however, the record companies need to seriously reduce the cost before anything changes.

The counter argument to that is that recorded music is a loss leader. If you are an emerging artist or a non-mainstream artist then your biggest hurdle is getting people to actually listen to your stuff. So you put it on your myspace and farcebook and you ENCOURAGE people to listen download and share. And then you get a bunch of people come to your gigs and they all pay to get in, plus they buy a T shirt. and so on. (Arctic Monkeys, OK Go! are two examples of this)

Or, if you are an artist who does not tour, or an already established artist, you try and sell addons to the music. I am a fan and I buy a lot of CD's and records, and I will buy stuff I already own if the packaging is cool enough, or the liner notes are worth reading or there are tracks on it I dont have or its the 25th Anniversary special edition (with liner notes and extra tracks in a presentation case).

But it rips my grundies when I am asked to pay $30 for a CD. If I lived in the US that content would have cost me $1.99 per track (or $15NZD month on emusic).

The business model is broken, but the RIAA are not helping to fix it. They're not even trying to help fix it.

With Spotify coming, it will be the same

[bogan]

But people like my teenage kid's friends who download music and movies are not customers. They never buy CDs and DVDs. They simply do not pay for anything and they are genuinely puzzled at the suggestion they should.

If that is common - and I believe it is - then the producers of music and film have a real problem.

You're right, they aren't, but they enjoy the product the company is producing, maybe that company should ask why they are not customers.

With the bulk of music now used as mp3, there is little need for physical distribution, 5 bucks an album is now a lot of profit. And if people want to try before they buy, why not give them a few free play throughs online.

The industry needs to start looking at piracy as the competition, rather than something they can stamp out.

[Paul in NZ]

I think that they are being awfully short sighted here.

The whole ‘album’ or recorded music thing is after all a product of technology. Prior to man having the ability to produce CD’s, tapes, records, wax disks etc there was no recorded music industry. Considered against the history of music it’s a relatively recent construct. Even then – its changed with the technology. 331/3 LP’s mean ‘albums’ and that meant a few good tracks and a lot of fill (usually).

These inventions, coinciding with an increase in disposable income and increasing leisure time for the working and middle classes produced a colossal amount of cash for record companies and artists.

The whole industry needs to pull their heads out of their arses. Those days have gone – blown to dust by technological advances.

What has not changed is the vast amount of money that can be made by the right solution. However being dumb and lazy by rigidly sticking to the past aint gunna cut it any more.

However - I LIKE buying CD’s – I LIKE having them and I hate loading stuff into computers. Trouble is I can buy most everything I need back catalog or used.

[Brian d marge]

Open source linux and , open source software is a live and well and ,,,free as is free , ( well you do have to use it and give feed back or help if you can ) , there are some good open source movies ,,aniboom?

as for music , again some of the best is ...independent of the main stream!


maybe the business model is broken .....and the oldies are afraid they will lose the precious dollar .... boo hoo

Stephen