LOL @ smoke tax increase!

[mashman]

Death due to Cancer ... Cancer due to smoking ...

If your belief that all smoking related illnesses lead to death from cancer ... you are wrong. Only the lucky ones get that. Most of those that die ... die slowly of respiratory problems ... they just slowly lose the ability to breathe ....

The lucky one's dont.


Are you feeling lucky ... ???

My great gran was the 90 year old and my grandad was the guy who suffered on til 80 with breathing problems... he also had really bad wind and had given up smoking 40years prior to his death, the last 10 with breathing difficulties.

I'll take my chances (if I'm allowed to) as I've known, and know, people who have never smoked and die/suffer from cancer.

[madbikeboy]

This hoary old fallacious argument assumes that there is no cost associated with tobacco, other than what smokers spend on their habits with the proceeds of those being shared by retailers, tobacco companies and the Government.

One in five smokers will die from smoking-related causes. That would be just fine if those were clean and tidy deaths at no cost to the taxpayers who fund the medical expenses associated with what are often long and costly illnesses. Then there are the people who aren't smokers but whose health is munted by passive smoking.

Without any of these consequences, then tobacco products probably would most certainly be a cash cow for graspingly desperate politicians.

Is it politically incorrect to send my ex a large carton of ciggies?

Seriously, what he said, plus - I wonder if you took the real social and economic costs of smoking, and drinking (policing, road deaths, health issues, violence); what would that number actually look like. I'm the last person to advocate governmental control, but I also think that balanced against the freedom to be as much of an asshole as you'd like (for example, laws like riding with helmets actually make sense no matter how much the old timers bleat about it) - adding duty to something like smoking makes logical sense. I just wish they'd add a rap music duty so you didn't run the risk of accidentally tuning in when station surfing...

[madbikeboy]

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tobacco has been used by mankind (the darker folk that were around before you white fullas showed up and whopped em all -- oh, and bought booze)

The white fulla also bought proper English, social welfare, law and order, and Toffee Pops. Mind you, the green fullas (Irish) bought us good comedy. The Yellow fulla was nice enough to help us with awesome litre motorcycles and Yoshimura go faster bits. The delightfully milk chocolate coloured fulla at the takeaways cooked me dinner tonight, I guess butter chicken counts as non-brown food. The people who ride magic carpets bought us camel racing, and the hot white fullessa's with too tight pants bought us camel toe.

Point is, last time I checked, cancer (the sort that seems to be scientifically linked to smoking) doesn't give a rat's ass what colour your skin is, or where your parents and grandparents called home.

[scumdog]

Awwww... you're the epitome of sweet self delusion.

tobacco, as a plant product, has exactly fuckall things-bad-for-you in it. your body absorbs the compounds, rather than trying to process and excrete them.

Wow, on that sound scientific basis I might just sell my bike and take up smoking, it's bound to be better for me.

[Berries]

smoking causes health problems my A55. the fucking pollution from every dick's V8, SUV or POS car in towns causes health fucken problems. the consumeristic life you lead causes planetary problems, so don't fucken whine at me about burning a bit of leaf.

If you don't think smoking causes some kind of health problems then either a) you have not been smoking for long or b) you are smoking like a little girl.

[scumdog]

If you don't think smoking causes some kind of health problems then either a) you have not been smoking for long or b) you are smoking like a little girl.

Or c), trolling. (again)

[Road kill]

Awwww... you're the epitome of sweet self delusion.

tobacco has been used by mankind (the darker folk that were around before you white fullas showed up and whopped em all -- oh, and bought booze)
as said by mashy, i've had smokers in the family live long productive lives (80s+), smoking since 15... where's your medical evidence for that.. i guess it was all that moderated booze that kept them going huh?

alcohol is a neurotoxin. you are 100% misguided/uninformed/uneducated if you believe there is a "safe" or "moderated" amount of alcohol that is not doing your body harm.
tobacco, as a plant product, has exactly fuckall things-bad-for-you in it. your body absorbs the compounds, rather than trying to process and excrete them.

the damage caused by alcohol and it's abuse in this country is not less than ten-fold that of ciggies.

i can smoke a pack of ciggies and drive upright... a pack of beer. no.
up it buddy. up yours it.

Chur bro,,,you make me look well educated an real smart,,,like ya' nkow
thanks

[mashman]

Chur bro,,,you make me look well educated an real smart,,,like ya' nkow
thanks

So you reckon inhaling exhaust fumes over a lifetime causes no ill effect? Why did they remove lead from petrol?

[Edbear]

So you reckon inhaling exhaust fumes over a lifetime causes no ill effect? Why did they remove lead from petrol?

My point wasn't that there aren't harmful substances everywhere, but the difference is specifically,(and some just can't seem to understand this,) that cigarettes are made to kill and maim the customer by manufacturers that know this and rely on suckers willing to suffer and die so they can make money.

What sane person would sacrifice their own health to support those who come under the legal definition of murderer.

Other harmful substances like exhaust fumes, we try to avoid. Other substances, at least for sensible people, we try to minimise the harm. Yet with smoking, it is plain that the minds of some are completely skewed.

[scumdog]

Other harmful substances like exhaust fumes, we try to avoid. Other substances, at least for sensible people, we try to minimise the harm. Yet with smoking, it is plain that the minds of some are completely skewed.

True, exhaust fumes etc we try to avoid/make safer whatever.

with tobacco smoking it: "Lemme see, it sounds OK to suck as big an amount of this carcinogen as I can into my lungs and do it as many times as I can afford to despite me knowing there is not a single valid positive reason to do so"

"And the reason I started is (a) 'cos I could - or (b) 'cos when I was young and silly EVERYBODY else was and I thought I'd be cool if I smoked."
Or something like that.

And it's not JUST smoking tobacco that is 'Not Good' (tm) - smokeless chewing tobacco carries the same health 'warning' on its packaging.

Each to their own -just don't try and tell me smoking is worse than XXX(name your product). It's not about that.

[Usarka]

Each to their own -just don't try and tell me smoking is worse than XXX(name your product). It's not about that.

What about donuts?

[mashman]

My point wasn't that there aren't harmful substances everywhere, but the difference is specifically,(and some just can't seem to understand this,) that cigarettes are made to kill and maim the customer by manufacturers that know this and rely on suckers willing to suffer and die so they can make money.

What sane person would sacrifice their own health to support those who come under the legal definition of murderer.

Other harmful substances like exhaust fumes, we try to avoid. Other substances, at least for sensible people, we try to minimise the harm. Yet with smoking, it is plain that the minds of some are completely skewed.

I wasn't talking to you ... and some people don't seem to understand that that risk has been taken into account when they get their fix. Too busy preaching about how bad it is and missing the point entirely.

Me... although sane is possibly bit of a push.

If you go on to the street in any town or city you will be inhaling exhaust fumes. At least it's easy for people to avoid cigarette smoke... those who choose to that is.

[scumdog]

What about donuts?

Yes please.

Are they hard to light???

[mashman]

Yes please.

Are they hard to light???

You're issued with torches aren't you?

[Edbear]

Would someone care to list the benefits of smoking? And before you say,"it calms my nerves," it in fact causes the nervousness you claim it calms. So as with other drugs you suffer withdrawal symptoms.