LOL @ smoke tax increase!

[Virago]

PS. Cancer has many causes and is a real and scary problem so everyone is actively seeking a cure. The point here is considering this, why would intelligent people actively seek to get it and suffer the disease?

Vacuous and silly statements about the motives of others adds little.

Why would intelligent people actively seek serious injury by riding motorcycles?

The line between pleasure and risk is subjective, and entirely the responsibility of the individual. You have no mandate to speak on behalf of their motivation.

[Berries]

The point here is considering this, why would intelligent people actively seek to get it and suffer the disease?

The simple answer is that they don't.

[Flip]

What a waste of money. Fuck all you smokers must be ritch.

[Road kill]

I too, have done extensive study on it but included drugs in general and the human nervous system. I was addicted to prescription painkillers and well understand the way a drug becomes the very problem it was initially being taken to treat.

Nicotine is added to make it addictive and you are quite correct in that it is smoking, anything at all, that is harmful. Added to the inherent risk are the poisons in cigarettes.

Why do you keep saying nicotine is added to tabbaco ? "that's like saying that THC is added to weed to get you stoned.
Nicotine is not added to get you addicted,,it's already there and it's going to catch you no matter what,,the big companys are selling something that has already been used by humans for centurys.
They may have bred a stronger strain but it's still the same stuff with the same end game and if they didn't,people would just smoke more to get the effect they wanted anyway.
The way you tell it makes it sound like we smoked tabbaco for all those years an then suddenly the big companys came along and added a substance just to make it addictive.
Personaly I don't even think the big companys should be held to some moral judgement unless we're going to do the same to big oil,electricity,arms manufacturers,vehicle manufactures an several others,,,after all they're actualy destroying the very planet and the lives of everybody on it while we all dance hand in hand with them as we go on about the evils of tabbaco.
No pun intended,,,but smoking is a smoke screen,,,when none of us can breath because there's no forests left,,,we might just get it then.
Hell,,,I'm bored.

[Akzle]

Nicotine is a kick ass insecticide that's been banned because it's really fucking toxic to mammals... I presume that includes you you pin headed dumb arse motherfucker.

and you kiss your dog with that mouth!

http://www.ehow.com/about_5498268_uses-nicotine.html

huh.
many uses. and some positive medicinal attributes.

and personally, i don't extract pure nicotine into a liquid spray it in my lungs...

and where in the world has banned nicotine as an inecticide?

jackass.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Why do you keep saying nicotine is added to tabbaco ? "that's like saying that THC is added to weed to get you stoned.
Nicotine is not added to get you addicted,,

smoking is a smoke screen,,,when none of us can breath because there's no forests left,,,we might just get it then.
Hell,,,I'm bored.

Wow! Just Wow

[Road kill]

PS. Cancer has many causes and is a real and scary problem so everyone is actively seeking a cure. The point here is considering this, why would intelligent people actively seek to get it and suffer the disease?

My generation.
Misinformation.
The more intelligent a person is the more likely they probably are to get caught,,because the misinformation needs to be addressed an there's only one way.
When I say misinformation I'm talking about the parents,the teachers,the community leaders that say/said,,don't do it because it's bad for you ect ect ect,,,,while they happily suck away on their own ciggy.
Quite obviously they were lying through their teeth and trying to keep you from joining the fun,,,,the end result was obvious.
Both then and today,,,brainwashing.
Every second hero on TV had a ciggy hanging from there mouth.
All the sexy women on TV had a ciggy,,,some in a long holder thingy so they didn't get the filth on their fingers.
Luck strike Yamaha anybody?
Malbrough man?
Joe Camel?
Ect
Ect
Tabbaco stained fingers on a man when I was a kid was a sure sign of a hard working man.
My old man smoked,,he was a hard working man that took shit from nobody,,,,why would I of wanted to be any different.
Nicotine is one of the fastest acting addictive drugs know to humanity,,,it's also one of the fastest in leaving your system,,,,20 minites on average,,,which is why their sold in packs of 20-25.
Nicotine is physicaly one of the easiest of addictive drugs to kick,,,but the brain washing is stronger because it's in always in our subconcious and it never stops.
People do not actively seek to get cancer,,cancer is something that happens to other people,,cancer is something that old people get.
Besides you can stop anytime you want anyway,,I just chose not to stop for 35 years,,,but I could of

Then there's the old "once a junkie always a junkie".
My own mother smoked the whole time she was pregnant,,,so I was probably born addicted to nicotine,which in turn made the step into smoking and being fully addicted almost a given.
Today we still have kids being born to women that have been smokers,,,once a junkie always a junkie" and their kids walk a narrow path from the day their born.
They already have the physical hook in there somewhere,,all it takes from there is for the brainwashing to arrive and it's game over unless their very well prepaired,,,,which doesn't happen..

[GrayWolf]

I can't wait to see you hypocrite's crying and moaning when they move from smokers, to fat people & sugar products etc...then your precious alcohol!...and then....
And if you don't think its gonna happen

Nanny says don't do that!...we know best!....heres the figures....they don't lie!....and neither do we!.....you poor poor blind fools

Its about money and control...not health!...otherwise they would do something about about our shit healthcare system and rampant alcohol abuse in NZ


"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one act that could most easily defeat us.”
-William Orville Douglas

...I think I want a smoke...and Im not affraid to say so!


ps...I do agree smoking is bad for you(hence Im a light smoker!)....but then, so are motorbikes!...well...according to ACC facts n figures

probably the one reason more 'discreet' is the numbers involved. If 90% of thr population drink, less than 50% now smoke... you suckers are now a minority.
Passive smoking DOES affect peoples health, both my parents smoked and as a kid I was always coughing and 'wheezy', funny thing is when they sent me to boarding school for 4.5 yrs it bloody disappeared. I no longer have to endure the smell of smoke in a pub, or restaurant, or cinema, and roll on when it is no longer legal to smoke in ANY public area. Even 'light' smokers do not realise how offensive the stench is when you pick up an item of clothing you wore 'yesterday' and can smell the reek of smokers on it.

Double the price overnight!!!! 10% every 4 yrs just gives the addicts time to 'adjust' to the increase...

[Usarka]

Bring back smoking in pubs. I'm sick of smelling people's farts.

[Edbear]

Maybe I'm just not too bright but I would never take up smoking and even back when it was de rigeur I couldn't stand the horrible smelly things and the dangers of smoking were known 40 years ago.

I have tremendous sympathy for addicts who want to quit as I know first hand the nightmare that is drug addiction and the living hell it is to get off them.

Coupled with the addictiveness of Nicotine, which the manufacturers load them with to the limits of the law, is that smoking is a habit and it is said that it takes six weeks to break a habit. This also leads to irritability so a double whammy to deal with.

[GrayWolf]

Bring back smoking in pubs. I'm sick of smelling people's farts.

and you dont?? (fart)

[Mad-V2]

And I thought this was a thread about the annual tax increase on a singled out minority group.....normally that pisses alot of people off here on KB

We all know smoke inhalation can kill you, I feel it slowly killing me every day. But as I can afford to smoke, and I can buy them anywhere I go, and I've smoked for 18 years it is extremely hard to stop.
It's like any drug, you have to hit rock bottom before you realize how bad it actually is. Sadly rock bottom is usually a health scare or death.
If you tell a smoker to quit, they instantly feel like another smoke. If your a smoker and run out of papers to roll a smoke, you go into a panic and won't stop thinking about it until you get that next smoke.
It's not only addictive, it's also habitual. I smoke after eating anything, after sex, after a long journey or completing a task.
It's also a reward thing, your brain rewards you with a small amount of dopamine every time you have a smoke which relaxes you, and calms your nerves
To me it is an evil drug that lines the pockets of cooperate hitmen and government gansters, I'd like to quit, but it's too readily available, and I'll simply keep forking over the cash
If the government actually cared about the people that they are supposed to support and protect, they would ban every addictive substance that is sold in the common marketplace including alcohole. But is that fair on us? No because we are smart enough to make our own informed decisions regardless of how bad they may seem to others.
Cannabis isn't included there as it is not addictive only habitual and so it should be legalized FTW!!!

[Berries]

Bring back smoking in pubs.

Yeah, didn't work for me. I cut down on going to pubs instead.

[scumdog]

Bring back smoking in pubs. I'm sick of smelling people's farts.

Hey, I used logic like that at the freezing works (yonks ago...).

Farted like a pack-horse, loud-as!! - constantly.

And when the smokers whinged I said I'd stop farting in the smoko room when they stopped smoking in it.

Neither of us ended up stopping...

[Edbear]

Vacuous and silly statements about the motives of others adds little.

Why would intelligent people actively seek serious injury by riding motorcycles?

The line between pleasure and risk is subjective, and entirely the responsibility of the individual. You have no mandate to speak on behalf of their motivation.

I wasn't trying to impute motive and I think I clarified my point above in stating my sympathy for addicts. There are a few reasons why someone may start and my question would be more appropriate to anyone considering starting nowadays.

Mind you, once I found out my drug addiction was the cause of my health issues and was in fact leading to my early demise, I pushed through the nightmare of getting off them. Some Doctors were amazed that I did get off them and especially how quickly knowing how bad it was.