what is this earthship you talk of?
And these days someone has to be acountable for someone else, because so we cant build what we want we have to have rules n regs so as when broken someone can screw some ones arse to the wall for MONEY
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what is this earthship you talk of?
And these days someone has to be acountable for someone else, because so we cant build what we want we have to have rules n regs so as when broken someone can screw some ones arse to the wall for MONEY
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
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some of them look weird , others are stunning
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
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Originally Posted by Brian d'marge
If you are prepared to work within design constraints (such as earth bricks, big eaves and low/single level walls for your dwelling to prevent erosion) you could possibly get there without too much drama using the acceptable solution design documents NZBC E2/AS2 Earth buildings complying with NZS 4299 (Earth buildings not requiring specific design).
From what I understand, the drama and cost involved in getting the mix right for the bricks (or buying them) and the design constraints (in order to maintain acceptable solution status) makes the process desirable only to those that really really want a low profile single level mud brick home ... though I have had limited involvement with this type of construction so I can't be sure.
We really need to get govt involvement (national and local body) and their liability out of our homes and remove all of the acceptable solutions from the building code. Let people build, live in and/or sell using whatever means they have available. Let the buyer make their own assessment (using only the building code against which to measure performance rather than limiting acceptable solution details/constraints). Banks can make mortgage lending conditional on professional assessments of the dwellings by insured professionals to guard against lending against a lemon (that will likely cost a percentage of the home value.. maybe 4 to 7%). If the buyer or their builder or the professional assessor get it wrong then they can sort it out themselves via negotiation or litigation (and suffer their own lumps when no one has the money to fix it).
Then we would have rules (standards of performance) for NZ homes while maintaining maximum freedom to build however and out of whatever we want. Though buyers will have to be very very careful about their choices as recovery of damages will very likely be unsuccessful in the majority of claims (win or lose) as performance is subjective, particularly when there aren't any "acceptable solution" benchmarks and insurers are a lot more careful writing the wording of their policies than customers are when reading them. It is likely that lenders would be more reserved about the limit of their exposure in such a market so we would probably be able to borrow a lot less and have to pay a lot more. Frying pan... Fire?
Of course we would still have town planning constraints and infrastructure costs and limitations to contend with.
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Bogeyman
It's not an industry-specfic problem. It's caused by authorities needing to position themselves within a revenue stream without the usual ethical responsibility that goes with such.
It's apparent in almost every authority, the change over the last 30 years. We've gone from "These are the industry standards we believe provide adequate quality and these are the related guidelines within which we require you to work." to "We don't give a shit what you do, but if there's a problem we'll see you in court, an undertaking for which our budget's unlimited."
Fuck'em.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
Yes, but to do that you must have a reaaaallly big penis or a verrrry sore anus.
Political correctness: a doctrine which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
Bogeyman
Or a pineapple on a broomstick.
Seriously, it's far easier to ask forgiveness after the fact than permission beforehand.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
We had our little battle a while back. Held over a barrel by the builder with the council washing their hands of us even though I could find 3 items that did not meet code of compliance and argued that it shouldn't have been signed off. They directed us to their "complaints" process. Something that would take months before a decision could be made. We had a week before the builder demanded payment for a new build that looked 5 years old. Lies, lies, damned lies, uninterested council officials, commerce commission shoulder sloping their way away from the situation, BRANZ sayng there was nothin they could do. Got a lawyer involved, what a waste of 13k, got CloseUp involved and hey presto... finally some sense from the law and finally the builder. Anyhoo, fast forward to summer and the boards started sapping and shrinking. Back to the council blah blah blah told to talk to the insurance company. Fortunately they were A1, if not somewhat slow. The builder ()replacing the cladding) mentioned that we didn't need consent to replace the defective boards (re-clad of the entire house). Turns out that the cladding on the plans submitted to the council wasn't the cladding we were given. Paint samples taken and examined as people tried to play pin the $$$ on the donkey etc... The council found out that we were re-cladding the house and decided that it wasn't a valid replacement and told us that we needed some other fuckin consent. They were told that it wouldn't be paid. Long story short (oh yeah, it was a looooooong long story of cunts cunts and more fuckin cunts lying and blaming someone else)... everyone took a big wet bite and all because they could, standards, policies, processes, consumer advocates, all absolutely fuckin useless to be used as a defense where no one wants the hot potato.
The whole thing is a fuckin shambles. Standards don't exist if the inspectors aren't validating them. Policies are ignored given a nod and a wink "no worries mate, when you come back it'll be sorted... I can still see building paper hanging under a window and door and had to fence off the over metre high wall ourselves.). Processes taking an eon by which time everyone has been paid and you've got nothing left to fight with. Consumer advocates needing more than 1 person to complain before they'll do anything. Just about everyone around us has had some issue with their builder and has had a mare trying to get tradesmen back. Missing guttering and leaking plaster to mention a couple.
Who is at fault? Dodgy builder? The council inspector for not validating that what was in the plans was on the house and to a given standard? Us for not knowing fuck all about the building trade and materials? All of the above?
Moral of the story: Time is money folks, who cares how it all comes together and what the fall out is as long as people get paid.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Forum whore
I agree, it is a worthy consideration though risky.
Political correctness: a doctrine which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
Forum whore
Yup!
Political correctness: a doctrine which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
Multiply your story by, oh, say, 150,000 and you're starting to get an idea of what's happening in ChCH....
Then factor in EQC and bloody Fletchers.
I reckon we may yet see NZ's first public crucifixion of an ex woodwork teacher....
one placenta
...i'm sure we would see a stay of execution ...a big pie company would have enough coin to uphold an injunction on that one...
Aio ki te Aorangi
Well said.Yup!
Our neighbours are going through it at the moment, and have been since that Feb, and it is heartbreaking to hear. The constant stop start, this is happening, oh no it isn't, but this will happen, oh no it hasn't... you can see the strain it puts on them big time and all they really want is for someone to make a decision and pay the cash to get the work started.
Reckon Fletchers will have a crane available to hoist that cross?
Forum whore
Oh please............
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
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may I suggest my old wood work teacher who used the strap with gay abandonand who made my life a misery
stephen
nearly ruined my wanking hand he did.....
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Forum whore
Perhaps he was trying to encourage you to lift your sights beyond wood polishing for the rest of your life
Political correctness: a doctrine which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
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