Would this Reaper Gen X 150cc be legal for bucket racing?

[jasonu]

But it could be argued he is offering an innovative solution to innovative buyers. Of course most of use would argue that its a substandard POS with completely the wrong chassis style to go up against normal buckets. Which is a point he needs to consider in marketing these if they do get through on a rule technicality; fuck all people will buy them if they get dicked on by bikes half the price.

Sorry mate, still don't agree with the first sentence. Absolutely nothing innovative unless someone got them to run on water or farts or beer...
Totally 100% agree with the rest of your post though.

[jasonmx]

I think somebody needs to put the guy straight with a succinct explanation on which rule the listed bikes break, or severely bend. Isn't the tech side of buckets all about innovation anyway, can you really fault a guy for wanting to try something a bit different?

Thanks for the help guys and yeah this is what im asking??, so its more the fact that they are not technically a bucket racer even though they pretty much fit the rules of the class??? and the riding style is different???.

I have personally raced Pit Motards at the Karts Track here in Dunedin in the bucket class, cool track and good fun but not to many entries, so just want to get more people interested down here.

End of day its all about having fun, smaller bikes are never going to be taken to serious...

Anyway thanks for your help but after reading all this don't think we will be pushing Pit Motard racing to much apart from in home town as seems to be to much negativity towards them in NZ.

[Henk]

Thanks for the help guys and yeah this is what im asking??, so its more the fact that they are not technically a bucket racer even though they pretty much fit the rules of the class??? and the riding style is different???.

The point is they don't fit the rules at all. To fit the rules a bike has to be based on a non competion motorcycle, these have been designed and built as a mini motard race bike, therefore they are well outside the rules, not even in a grey area.

[jasonmx]

The point is they don't fit the rules at all. To fit the rules a bike has to be based on a non competion motorcycle, these have been designed and built as a mini motard race bike, therefore they are well outside the rules, not even in a grey area.

They are a Pit Bike which means they are designed for riders to ride around the Pits with, then all that has happened is they have had slick tyres put on...

[Bert]

I understand what you are saying, would be great if they had there own class but they are a new thing and until more people get involved, its not going to happen, especially people being negative about them.........

Here's a solution.

start a pitbike club; write some rules (covering everything including safety) and get them approved by MNZ.
Then get all the riders involved licensed.
the enter discussions with kart/race tracks etc for access.. sort out volunteers/race organisers etc. and then start racing.

Maybe at that stage; then the bucket boys might co-share events (not the same races)??

notwithstanding the fact that there has been long standing issues with bikes on kart track around the country; due to the perception that bikes do a lot more damage (don't forget to cover this off in ya rules as well)....

The general consensus on in this forum (generally visited by people that have been involved in F4/F5 for a significant length of time) is that these don't meet the spirit of the class. of note seen any supermotards in superlight (F3) lately; why is that??

End of day its all about having fun, smaller bikes are never going to be taken to serious...

You don't really know the history of buckets then....

comments like that will never endear you to this crowd.

Maybe we need to get a rulechange to clarify position on these bikes.
The Pre 72 have a rule minimum wheel size is 18", if we had a rule that Minature road racebike had a minimum rim size of 16" that would allow virtually any roadbike from the last 1000 years and send a clear message that the existing Buckateers dislike these forigen invaders !!

Bingo. so who's going to write the submission??

[DEATH_INC.]

Don't bother, road racers have their heads too far up their own asses to think that anything like this can be raced. Look how many whinge about motards on trackdays etc.
I laugh at the 'don't take you foot off the pegs' rule too, wtf does that accomplish? Never seen a leg get in the way of a bike before...
We wouldn't want to encourage anyone to go racing now, would we...

[DEATH_INC.]

these don't meet the spirit of the class.

Like an RS chassied special does?

[crazy man]

Like an RS chassied special does?

agree thats why we make are own frames

[Bert]

Don't bother, road racers have their heads too far up their own asses to think that anything like this can be raced. Look how many whinge about motards on trackdays etc.
I laugh at the 'don't take you foot off the pegs' rule too, wtf does that accomplish? Never seen a leg get in the way of a bike before...
We wouldn't want to encourage anyone to go racing now, would we...

You know that wasn't the issue; the original issue was lines and lack of control mid corner. a few ruined it for the rest mind due.

I doubt people have an issue around someone actually building up a class and sorting out there own meeting.... why just because it has the same engine size, do people automatically assume that its all good as a bucket. isn't the the purpose of this thread; someone ask if it was suitable the answer so far has been generally no (as every other time someone has brought it up on this forum).

Like an RS chassied special does?

nice rebuttal....

[F5 Dave]

What we do get sick of is people who don't race in the class telling us how it should be. That gets boring real quick & you wonder why such people troll around,

perhaps they should find some rugby forum to go tell other people who don't play how it should be done.

[TZ350]

... smaller bikes are never going to be taken to serious...

By MNZ maybe ..... by the people who race Buckets ... no way, you only need to look at the ESE thread and some of the others like Crazymans chassis thread, F5Daves and Speedpros #6 to get an idea of the effort and expertise that goes into developing these small racers.

[avgas]

Don't bother, road racers have their heads too far up their own asses to think that anything like this can be raced. Look how many whinge about motards on trackdays etc.
I laugh at the 'don't take you foot off the pegs' rule too, wtf does that accomplish? Never seen a leg get in the way of a bike before...
We wouldn't want to encourage anyone to go racing now, would we...

I still reckon there should be an "unlimited" class. Turbo's etc. Then you would see some real creativity.
I mean lets face it - this is the only reason why people watch Pikes Peak and Gold Rush.
Hell half the time people are so amazed by the vehicles they forget to find out who won.

To put this back on topic. How about a 100cc unlimited class. Do whatever you want but keep the bike under 100cc.
Now that would be interesting to watch. I imagine walking through the pits would get more attention than a superbike meet.

[bogan]

I still reckon there should be an "unlimited" class. Turbo's etc. Then you would see some real creativity.
I mean lets face it - this is the only reason why people watch Pikes Peak and Gold Rush.
Hell half the time people are so amazed by the vehicles they forget to find out who won.

To put this back on topic. How about a 100cc unlimited class. Do whatever you want but keep the bike under 100cc.
Now that would be interesting to watch. I imagine walking through the pits would get more attention than a superbike meet.

Nah, if you want real tech innovation, specify a starting energy amount. Then you can have 2Ts, 4Ts, deisles, electrics, turbines, get all the crazy coming out of the woodwork there. And it encourages fuel efficient engines, so you'd have direct benefit to road vehicles too!

[Henk]

I laugh at the 'don't take you foot off the pegs' rule too, wtf does that accomplish? Never seen a leg get in the way of a bike before...
We wouldn't want to encourage anyone to go racing now, would we...

As for the leg thing, we didn't come up with the idea just to be pricks, we have had a number of damn close calls at mt Wellington in the last couple of months, and with the whole duty of care framework we have to work with these days a call had to be made.

As for encouraging people to go racing of course we do, that would be why the club has a loan bike for people to try, why we give complete newbies as much help as we can and the track to themselves while they need it, have set up multiple grades, blah blah blah...

What we don't want to encourage is people turning up with bikes that aren't suitable and or legal when there are plenty of legal options for around the same price.

As for the spirit of the rules, nice idea but it's a bit hard to get on a protest form and taken seriously.

If people want to buy a bike new, off the shelf and go racing, there are no options in road racing that I can see so best to go and play in the dirt. Buckets are probably the most open of all the road race classes today without opening the doors to questionable bikes that aren't suited to racing with the large number of legal bikes already out there.


I probably should ignore these trolls, the only way to educate them going by past experience is with a bullet.

[F5 Dave]

And they are certainly self righteous trolls. For the record, Henk, myself & a heck of a lot of Bucket guys are dirtbike riders, so don't try that bullshit. Heck we just want to have fun racing in a class that has been fun & has large fields without screwing it up.

I'm not about to go telling the Posties what should & shouldn't be allowed. Its not my class. I wonder why people do?

I don't think the OP was out of order asking the question, but the trolls are tiresome at best.