Key 'out of touch' over hungry kids

[Maha]

Would they scream if they were threatened with losing the kids?

Probably, because the benefit income would dwindle...would be harder for them to buy dope/smokes/alcohol and food for the dog.

Around the same time, I/we were struggling...so much so that, one night when I got home from work, there was no tea being made, when I asked why, the response was, there is no food.
I found some rice in the pantry, enough for my then wife and two daughters only.
Pretty hard to pick your arse up off ground from that scenario, but you do dont ya?

That whole period in my life is pretty vague, but one thing is very clear, the kids never went hungry and were always clothed/loved
All these years later, nothing but pride comes to mind when I think how life has turned out.

[Gremlin]

I'm sure there are those that genuinely need help, however, the stories above are not isolated, most people seem to have them... I have no sympathy for those types, who are clearly abusing the system.

These people don't know poverty either... Africa knows what poverty is...

[Akzle]

Sad story and this is an example of where the kids need the support and the parent(s) need to feel the shame. The shame is it is the kid that feels the shame.

...booze in dairies and supermarkets. She could very well have an alcoholic addiction that requires treatment...

maybe NZ should adopt islam and condemn all substances that alter ones mind to the pursuit of serving god. (we could also stop women driving, and stone the breeders to death rather than supporting their hobby...)

i think the kids should be the ONLY ones being supported. while i disagree with CYFs and the state at large, i believe as a community we're well able to do this.

[oneofsix]

only to the extent that the benny would be cut accordingly.


Only the deserving poor deserve our assistance.

No argument there trouble is most antis are using the lazy scumbags as a cover to 'punish' the deserving and even some of those scumbags were once savable deserving poor but left too long in the rubbish heap of life. One size doesn't ever fit all and the way a society treats its unfortunate is a judgement on the society.







NB scumbags as opposed to scumdogs. Scumdogs are totally unsavable, all you can do is toss trolls to scumdogs.

[Daffyd]

For the past few weeks I have been transporting a student to school, a student who would otherwise not be in school. He is type 1 diabetic. Sometimes he didn't have lunch, or it was nowhere near enough food for a teenager.

He was told to come and see me and I would organise food for him, soup, cheese and crackers, toast and peanut butter, 2 min noodles and fruit were on offer. He never saw me, not once, he would rather go hungry than eat what we offered. Sometimes he scored a pie and a coke from the office lady, cos she felt sorry for him, but often he went hungry.

His mum is on DPB. She has no car. There were always beer and wine bottles in her recycling and Hell's pizza boxes...I'd like to be that poor, that I could afford Hell's Pizza delivered. Oh yes, they have Sky too!

Trouble is, I'm white and middle class....

My point exactly!

[caseye]

Scream? because they might lose the kids? hell man they'd jump for bloody joy!
Been there, done that too, seen more than enough over prolonged periods to know that the TV's are in every house as is the wee controller and the x box, to know that Hell's Pizza and KFC are meals of choice, not necessity, my family and I can not afford such things and until recently both my wife and I worked. Can't presently, broke leg, well, almost right now but still, for the past 4 months things have been even tougher than usual, but we are managing without any f.....g gubbermint assistance. Frankly if it was offered now I'd tell em to shove it up their arse.
Most of the people I grew up with in rural Waikato NZ are the same as us, no matter their colour or creed, it's not a race thing, never has been, it's now a choice thing and those doing it know it for just that.
Show me a "genuinely"homeless kid. I'll show you a dysfunctional family unit that goes back at least the last 2, possibly 4 generations of thinking the the govt will make it right. Not, hells bells my kids are going to go hungry if I don't get off my beer laden smoke filled ( pick your flavour) arse and get a job.Remember I said at least 2 possibly 4 generations.
Don't tell me there wasn't enough work going about then.
I've been right up there and I've also started from scratch, not once but thanks to economics catching up with the firms I've worked for, 3 times now and it would seem that once again at over 50 I'll be taking on whatever comes in order that we don't lose our home and whats left of our savings.
Shearers money tree is going to have to be grafted to make this work and I hope all sensible people see this for exactly what it is.
Cynical,fraudulent vote buying, that will further dumb down and make certain of those people seeing their responsibilities further diminishing will vote for good ol Nanny F.....g state.
We need to stop taking away responsibility and start putting it right back where it should be.
They make the kids.
THEY should be made to look after them and if they so much as mistreat them or otherwise neglect them, the kids then need to be put with caring responsible people who have always wanted children and who from first hand experience love and cherish those kids far better than most of the so called parents we see out there today.
I hate Winston Peters , but he is right about one thing. No one should ever be given money for nothing, except our pensioners who have worked all of their lives to get less than a bloody dole bludger.
To quote a one time celebrity who used to think that all that was one race was good and all that was another wasn't. "No More Free Money"
Anyone care to guess who I am referring to?

[ducatilover]

His mum is on DPB. She has no car. There were always beer and wine bottles in her recycling and Hell's pizza boxes...I'd like to be that poor, that I could afford Hell's Pizza delivered. Oh yes, they have Sky too!

Trouble is, I'm white and middle class....

Unfortunately it's not always a case of them being able to afford that junk, but that they seem to prioritise it above shit they need, like doing some washing.
Possibly something to do with the fact they they haven't been sweating to make the money, thus it gets spent on luxuries (ignoring the lazy, CBF'd cooking thing and the idiotic drinking that seems to plague the lower demographic)
Or something

I for one am very glad the kids we look after for CYFS have a decent home to live in, the conditions some are forced to live in is appalling and it is entirely the parents fault if the wee buggers are not fed/clothed well (let alone raised with some love and compassion)



Bring back lynching

[mashman]

possibly but society should also be asking the "parents" why arnt they feeding "their" children, parents who's children turn up to school hungry need to be looked at by CYFS as they are abusing their kids, perhaps they wont mind $20 a week being deducted from their benefit to go to the school

I likes the sound of that as a solution.

The thing that gets me is that there are useless bastards that have kids and it is the kids that suffer. Yes there are kids around the world in by far worse conditions, but that is no reason to roll over and play dead in regards to looking after little New Zealanders is it? I don't care if Shearer is scoring points as he's addressing the issue. If he ups tax by 1% it'd likely pay for the changes they'd like to make and some... No doubt there will be others that jump on the "gravy" train, but if it's directly deducted from the parents benefit, you can apply it across the board and the gravy train jumping will be avoided.

[Ocean1]

Someone remind me, how many people out there can't have kids, and can't find one to adopt.

[Edbear]

Someone remind me, how many people out there can't have kids, and can't find one to adopt.

Someone very close to me is a great mother to her foster kids and dearly wants her own but physically can't have them. After two attempts at IVF they have two left.

It is sadly ironic that those who should not have children are popping them out recklessly and frequently.

[JimO]

Someone remind me, how many people out there can't have kids, and can't find one to adopt.

you can have my 16 year old

[scumdog]

possibly but society should also be asking the "parents" why arnt they feeding "their" children, parents who's children turn up to school hungry need to be looked at by CYFS as they are abusing their kids, perhaps they wont mind $20 a week being deducted from their benefit to go to the school

Exactly Jim - the loser parents are 'paid' to feed and clothe their kids.

Not support Noel Leemings, Liquorland, the TAB, housie or the local tinny house...

[Ocean1]

you can have my 16 year old

Consequences, dude, the wages of sin, wasn't me that got all hot and sweaty 16 years ago.

[caseye]

I likes the sound of that as a solution.

The thing that gets me is that there are useless bastards that have kids and it is the kids that suffer. Yes there are kids around the world in by far worse conditions, but that is no reason to roll over and play dead in regards to looking after little New Zealanders is it? I don't care if Shearer is scoring points as he's addressing the issue. If he ups tax by 1% it'd likely pay for the changes they'd like to make and some... No doubt there will be others that jump on the "gravy" train, but if it's directly deducted from the parents benefit, you can apply it across the board and the gravy train jumping will be avoided.

I like the sound of it too.
At what point though do we stop raising taxes to pay for things that parents/people should be doing anyway.
You don't want kids to suffer, nor does anyone else here, the question really is how to do we get those kids parents to actually look after them.
Followed by, what to do if they don't/won't or can't?
Ocean, yes! So many out there who would if they could and do when they can, but so many of these already abused ( in whatever way ) kids who are finally taken from their biological abusing parents only to be given to other abusing/useless low life family members.
Where unc an aunt or G Dad and G Ma ( who are decent and proper people) want to take em in, fine. if not Adoption, fostering, anything that gives the Kid a fighting chance to get out from under the smog of filth,deprivation and abuse that is otherwise going to be their lot for eternity.

Look lets non of us forget that we are in fact talking about a minority of a few really shitty parents.
Along with a significant number of lazy BS filled no hope er's.
Perhaps another question needs to be asked.
Should it STILL just be taken for granted that anyone who wants to can make babies?

Schools used to show teenagers how to cook, to balance books, to make things out of wood, to type and to adhere to timetables and uniform codes.
Today, that's too tough.Computers were supposed to take all the crappy stuff away, no need to cook, clean and do housework or make things!
Beep! Wrong.
Perhaps we should be making our govt's actually put enough funding into schools that these basics are once again Mainstream Curriculum.
Along with the 3 R's.
My last (of 3) daughter is finishing 7th form this year,shes strange and is doing outdoor ed , cooking/economics, history and geography, oh and drama ( as if there's not already enough of that in our lives) but the bulk of the kids are doing anything that doesn't involve good old fashioned hard work and study.


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[mashman]

Consequences, dude, the wages of sin, wasn't me that got all hot and sweaty 16 years ago.

I just threw up in my mouth. cheers ya bastard.