Key 'out of touch' over hungry kids

[idb]

Exactly Jim - the loser parents are 'paid' to feed and clothe their kids.

Not support Noel Leemings, Liquorland, the TAB, housie or the local tinny house...

You heartless bastard..."Won't someone think of the shareholders?!"

[Brian d marge]

A good read is " http://www.amazon.com/Five-Families-.../dp/0465097057

you wont because it doesnt fit with your ideas , but its worth a try to give a heads up

but roughly

The people in the culture of poverty have a strong feeling of marginality, of helplessness, of dependency, of not belonging. They are like aliens in their own country, convinced that the existing institutions do not serve their interests and needs. Along with this feeling of powerlessness is a widespread feeling of inferiority, of personal unworthiness. This is true of the slum dwellers of Mexico City, who do not constitute a distinct ethnic or racial group and do not suffer from racial discrimination. In the United States the culture of poverty that exists in the Negroes has the additional disadvantage of racial discrimination. People with a culture of poverty have very little sense of history. They are a marginal people who know only their own troubles, their own local conditions, their own neighborhood, their own way of life. Usually, they have neither the knowledge, the vision nor the ideology to see the similarities between their problems and those of others like themselves elsewhere in the world. In other words, they are not class conscious, although they are very sensitive indeed to status distinctions. When the poor become class conscious or members of trade union organizations, or when they adopt an internationalist outlook on the world they are, in my view, no longer part of the culture of poverty although they may still be desperately poor. (Lewis 1998)

with all its social ills that come with the above



Stephen

[imdying]

What we need is a final solution. I'm pretty sure we can buy some ex commuter trains cheap, and it can't cost that much to build some camps to send them to.

Money is not going to fix this problem. Genocide and sterilization will. Monkeys shouldn't be allowed to breed. I've said it before... you cannot expect two thousand years of evolution in two hundred years; it's not fair or even possible. Whiteys doing this to their kids... they're even fucking worse, they should know better.

Put them on the trains to the camps; once we get most them on, then we'll explain the rest.

[tigertim20]

No, it's not, because the day after this is implemented the number of kids not provided with breakfast by their parents will immediately quadruple.

Typical Labour solution though, increase dependency on the state handouts again and secure that client voter base.

that is a good point. this whole kids being hungry thing is farcical, its a smoke and mirror type scenario to ignore the core issue. brainless, selfish fuckin human beings breed without thought or consideration for whether or not they will actually be able to provide the necessary food, shelter, love and support (financial and otherwise) BEFORE they go blowing their load up some girls hooch.

If you havent sat down and thought about it, and worked out a backup plan if things get tough etc etc, then you have no place having fuckin kids in the first place. its the thoughtlessness of parents that create the issue, having children with no certainty that they can even provide for them for 18 years (or less if they become independent and leave home sooner)

how about sorting out the real core issues rather than pissing time against a wall talking about stupid problems that wouldnt exist if we actually approached and resolved the contributing factors that cause these issues in the first place.

too many people just wanna jump on a bandwagon and dont look at the bigger picture

[mashman]

I like the sound of it too.
At what point though do we stop raising taxes to pay for things that parents/people should be doing anyway.
You don't want kids to suffer, nor does anyone else here, the question really is how to do we get those kids parents to actually look after them.
Followed by, what to do if they don't/won't or can't?

Should it STILL just be taken for granted that anyone who wants to can make babies?

Perhaps we should be making our govt's actually put enough funding into schools that these basics are once again Mainstream Curriculum.
Along with the 3 R's.
My last (of 3) daughter is finishing 7th form this year,shes strange and is doing outdoor ed , cooking/economics, history and geography, oh and drama ( as if there's not already enough of that in our lives) but the bulk of the kids are doing anything that doesn't involve good old fashioned hard work and study.

For any answer that is out forwards there won't be enough money. Save from here, remove from there. I'm all for looking after the kids instead of building more roads, but that's highly unlikely to be a priority for anyone in politics. Ideally you'd send the parents and kids to an island for a month or two with enough food, some books and a football. Those who don't feed the kids can be lost at sea on the trip back.

Unfortunately I'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't all be reversibly sterilised... but keep coming back to what criteria you would use for being allowed to have the reversal? That work "allowed" has my back up straight away... but there's no guarantee that the people who get the ok to breed will be good parents eh.

... I shouldn't laugh at the thought of us making the govt do anything. I'm if the money was there they would put it into education .
I have to ask. How many of you guys went into the working world thinking, I'm going to be a good hard working productive member of society and a roaring success in anything I decide to turn my hand to? as opposed to, I'll go do that job and earn some cash so that I can score me booze and drugs? I was most definitely in the latter group and to a certain degree still am, albeit without the booze or the drugs these days. I'm not surprised that "kids" just want to do the bare minimum. They're still having fun... something "adults" would do well to remember instead of this fucked up work work work and then work some more because your country needs workers to grow and make lots of money for the people that you work for.

[idb]

that is a good point. this whole kids being hungry thing is farcical, its a smoke and mirror type scenario to ignore the core issue. brainless, selfish fuckin human beings breed without thought or consideration for whether or not they will actually be able to provide the necessary food, shelter, love and support (financial and otherwise) BEFORE they go blowing their load up some girls hooch.

If you havent sat down and thought about it, and worked out a backup plan if things get tough etc etc, then you have no place having fuckin kids in the first place. its the thoughtlessness of parents that create the issue, having children with no certainty that they can even provide for them for 18 years (or less if they become independent and leave home sooner)

how about sorting out the real core issues rather than pissing time against a wall talking about stupid problems that wouldnt exist if we actually approached and resolved the contributing factors that cause these issues in the first place.

too many people just wanna jump on a bandwagon and dont look at the bigger picture

I'm sure the hungry kids care about the politics.
Feed them while you're sorting out the parents.

[Akzle]

How many of you guys went into the working world thinking, I'm going to be a good hard working productive member of society and a roaring success in anything I decide to turn my hand to?

i do. but i pick my society. because theirs is fucked.

[idb]

i do. but i pick my society. because theirs is fucked.

Where is this alternate society?

...and why is a hardarse like yourself quoting Meatloaf??!!!!

[Akzle]

Where is this alternate society?

alternate society? my place. infact i take it with me everywhere i go...

[scumdog]

alternate society? my place. infact i take it with me everywhere i go...

You go places?

In your head don't count ya know...

[idb]

alternate society? my place. infact i take it with me everywhere i go...

You take your place every where you go?
Are you a snail?
Or a turtle?

And what's your excuse about Meatloaf?
Is he part of your alternate society where Jim Steinman is a poet?

[AllanB]

Opposition is such a easy place to be by any party - just bag any of the Governments ideas and come up with publicly popular ones irrespective of the cost to buy votes.

Weetbix are cheap, milk is reasonable, $10 will buy a box of Weetbix and 2 litres of milk - enough to feed a kid breakfast for a week.

The problem is if they start eating before school then the kids will start shitting more at home and the poor parents will have to buy more loo paper thus short changing them breakfast funds. It is a vicious cycle.

Best to let the Government sort out the parenting - all that had work deserves an afternoon sleep on the couch.........

[mashman]

i do. but i pick my society. because theirs is fucked.

lucky bugga... it's not fucked, it just needs some loose screws replaced.

[Akzle]

You take your place every where you go?
Are you a snail?
Or a turtle?

And what's your excuse about Meatloaf?
Is he part of your alternate society where Jim Steinman is a poet?

yes. i take my place everywhere i go.

it is an apt quote. but you reminded me it was about time for a sig change.
do you not think a wasted youth is better than a wise and productive old age?

[idb]

yes. i take my place everywhere i go.

it is an apt quote. but you reminded me it was about time for a sig change.
do you not think a wasted youth is better than a wise and productive old age?

That principle means that you'll never know.

But, I'm interested - in your alternate society, what does it mean to waste your youth...or even to have a productive old age?
What're the measures in your universe?
How do you reference 'wasted' against 'productive'?
You've obviously thought about it a lot, and decided to tie your personal outlook to Jim Steinman's legendary words, so I'm interested in your philosophy.