Commodity ownership?

[Matariki]

Missing the point as usual. European settlers brought with them technology, and cultural advancements like writing and hey, the rule of law. Without the stuff that those settlers brought, and gave for free, we wouldn't have the country we have and Maori would still be subsistence farmers and cannibals.

This "everything bad is whitey's fault, so give me $$$" bollocks has to end.

The Maori had technology and cultral skills that they brought over. In fact they taught some of these skills to the European settlers such as how to build farms on wetland, how to harvest native foods (including fish), prepare medicinal ingredients, and build houses from native materials that the Europeans weren't familiar with.

The Maori had their own writing system in the form of images (what do you think those cravings and illustrations at the Maraes are all about? And the Ta Moko?) the missionaries romanized Te Reo so it was more accessible.

The Maori had law in the form of Tikanga.

The settlers relied on the local Maori people for protection against other tribes, and their knowledge of the land. And the settlers possessions weren't given away for free, they usually given in exchange for a service or for the purchase of land.

The country of New Zealand came to be as we know it due to the interest that France was having in New Zealand, there was a race between England and France to claim New Zealand as their own and establish a government here. And no not all Maori engaged in cannibalism, it was extremely rare and was frowned down strongly upon (its considered to be the greatest insult of them all).

[imdying]

The Maori had technology and cultral skills that they brought over. In fact they taught some of these skills to the European settlers such as how to build farms on wetland, how to harvest native foods (including fish), prepare medicinal ingredients, and build houses from native materials that the Europeans weren't familiar with.

What a load of shite... the white man also brought with him intelligence; none of the things you've listed would've slowed them down in the slightest, none of those things they needed from Maori... if they'd set about shooting all the Maori, they'd still be here happily farming anything they like, fishing for anything they like.

The Maori had their own writing system in the form of images (what do you think those cravings and illustrations at the Maraes are all about? And the Ta Moko?) the missionaries romanized Te Reo so it was more accessible.

Ahahahaahahahaha..... yeah symbology... big fucking deal... that's a million miles away from literacy.

The Maori had law in the form of Tikanga.

Primitive ape crap again.

The settlers relied on the local Maori people for protection against other tribes, and their knowledge of the land.

Only because they weren't allowed to genocide them as they should've done. Maori should be well grateful for the fate of timing there.

no not all Maori engaged in cannibalism, it was extremely rare and was frowned down strongly upon (its considered to be the greatest insult of them all).

More Maori lies, more rewriting the tune to suit the circumstances.

Really, that's one of the biggest problems here... Maori are not only backwards primitive apes, they're also a bunch of liars.

[oneofsix]

What a load of shite... the white man also brought with him intelligence; none of the things you've listed would've slowed them down in the slightest, none of those things they needed from Maori... if they'd set about shooting all the Maori, they'd still be here happily farming anything they like, fishing for anything they like.

Ahahahaahahahaha..... yeah symbology... big fucking deal... that's a million miles away from literacy.

Primitive ape crap again.

Only because they weren't allowed to genocide them as they should've done. Maori should be well grateful for the fate of timing there.

More Maori lies, more rewriting the tune to suit the circumstances.

Really, that's one of the biggest problems here... Maori are not only backwards primitive apes, they're also a bunch of liars.

Hate to have to agree with you. This whitewashing of Maori history only serves them badly, poor dumb duped maori - like fuck. As for the white settlers using the local maori tribes to protect them it was actually the other way round with the tribes using the musket armed whites to protect them from raids and being slaves or protein for the neighbouring tribes. The Maori were as smart as the whites and they were using sometimes abusing each other.

[MisterD]

The Maori had law in the form of Tikanga.

You don't actually understand what "the rule of law" means do you? A major driver for the signing of the Treaty was tribes wanting British law to protect them from other tribes...

[Drew]

There will be name calling and abuse here soon. Was a good thread for longer than most of this vein.

[imdying]

Drew, much like New Zealand, all was fine until the niggers started getting uppity.

[Drew]

Drew, much like New Zealand, all was fine until the niggers started getting uppity.

I hear ya man.

I'm all for women having the vote, but I reckon a line shoulda been drawn somewhere!

[Brett]

Water is an impossible one to 'own' due to the nature of it's creation/use. water is sucked up and carried by the winds from all sorts of places - some a hell of a long way away from NZ. My body is made up of 60% water - do they own that too? What about the water in the air as natural humidity?

[oldrider]

Ian Wishart's "The Great Divide" The story of New Zealand and it's treaty is worth a read if only for another "reasoned" perspective!

Christianity (for all it's ills) helped Maori to replace the law of "utu" (one of their major flawed practices) with forgiveness and respect!

Maori preferred the idea of building the future with Queen Victoria and England, in preference to French who were banging loudly on their front door at that same time!

To suggest that life for Maori was at that time (and previously) "Utopian" is the biggest load of bullshit that could ever be propagated!

Life for everyone out here was bloody hard and they relied upon each other for their survival.

The division between Maori who signed the treaty and those who did not (the smaller group) still rages today and those who did not are making the most noise currently!

It is important that Pakeha (non Maori) learn and understand what those differences are and how ultimately it will effect them if they don't!

[Brett]

People get lost in the bush in NZ and if not found after three days they seem to start looking for a body.
Fuck all to eat. They used to eat bracken fern roots - like pigs. Full of silica and would grind out their teeth.

That's 'cause most people today have lost bush craft skills. There is plenty to eat if you know where to find it etc. NZ is a MUCH easier place to survive in than many other places. You're never more than a few days walk from an ocean and oceans=food baskets. Nevermind all the food that can be found around rivers and streams etc. Try that shit in the outback of Australia or the high veldt of South Africa. Early Maori must have been tripping up over food on their way to their daily potty break.

[Banditbandit]

What a load of shite... the white man also brought with him intelligence;

That was worth a laugh . thank you ... the rest was just an ignorant racist rant !!!

[imdying]

That was worth a laugh . thank you ... the rest was just an ignorant racist rant !!!

Jeez .. niggers is so dumb they can't spot a wind up ....

[short-circuit]

Christianity (for all it's ills) helped Maori to replace the law of "utu" (one of their major flawed practices) with forgiveness and respect!

Yeah just like all those lovely christian southern states in the US that advocate the death penalty

[Drew]

Yeah just like all those lovely christian southern states in the US that advocate the death penalty

You try to be an idiot aye?

He did say "for all Christianities ills".

[Matariki]

What a load of shite... the white man also brought with him intelligence; none of the things you've listed would've slowed them down in the slightest, none of those things they needed from Maori... if they'd set about shooting all the Maori, they'd still be here happily farming anything they like, fishing for anything they like.

Ahahahaahahahaha..... yeah symbology... big fucking deal... that's a million miles away from literacy.

Primitive ape crap again.

Only because they weren't allowed to genocide them as they should've done. Maori should be well grateful for the fate of timing there.

More Maori lies, more rewriting the tune to suit the circumstances.

Really, that's one of the biggest problems here... Maori are not only backwards primitive apes, they're also a bunch of liars.