Govt assault on young 'uns continues

**tigertim20** · 10th October 2012, 15:19

Originally Posted by madandy

I got $6 hr a an apprentice.
$14 once qualified 4 years later.
Whats wrong with kids being paid a lower wage for 6 months? Once their worth is proven they're gonna get the same as an adult...
A mans pay for a mans work still exists for those that want it but $13.50 to stand around being shown how to do the job is fair to the employer how?

Oh and how is this the fault of us white melon farmers?

Im on the fence with it, but what motivation are you giving kids when you tell them that they will do the exact same job, and the exact same hours, with the exact same expectations and responsibilites as everyone else, and still get paid less - especially if youre talking about un unskilled type of work where 'experience' doesnt really count for anything?

When I was younger, a kid im my class (15 or 16) was the deputy storeman at a supermarket, he was responsible for a hundred thousand dollars worth of stock. he got paid significantly less per hour than the down syndrome kid who collected trollies from the car[ark, because the down's kid was a little older.

fuck that.

hmm, guess Im not so on the fence after all

**Brett** · 10th October 2012, 15:32

Originally Posted by mashman

What's the difference between a 16yr old and a 20yr old in regards to ability (or a 40 yr old for that matter)?

A lot. At 18 when I left school I was worth (maybe) minimum wage, by the time I was 20 I had worked hard, done some studying, learned skills and was worth well over the average wage.

**Brian d marge** · 10th October 2012, 16:02

you will still only make the perceived value for your skill set.

The purchasing power of a young persons income in the late 60s was more than it is today , late fifties you only needed ONE income to purchase a house, NOW its two , with all the social ills that come with that,

With the Ageing Tsunami approaching, A fundamental economic shift / values shift needs to happen,

May I suggest:

Remove speculation on homes ( capital gains tax)

Remove market forces from education up to polytechnic ( student loans etc ,,or subsidies loans for low decile students

School dinners

Remove taxes and/or subsidise fresh fruit and green veggies and increase it onto meat and high fructose goods

Remove market forces on electricity , or subsidise local generation , solar power per house , insulation , larger installations per community ( ie bring back the electricity board )

bring back work schemes for GOVERNMENT asset creation , bridges roads ,,,,

Just a few quick thoughts

Stephen

**mossy1200** · 10th October 2012, 16:18

If greedy forkers stopped lending our youth money in the form of loans and hp's to buy now and pay later half our youth issues would go away.

It wasnt that long ago saving to purchase gave everyone insentive to work hard youth included. With that returned we wouldnt need a different pay rate for the young. They would have a better attitude towards working.

**mashman** · 10th October 2012, 16:39

Originally Posted by Brett

A lot. At 18 when I left school I was worth (maybe) minimum wage, by the time I was 20 I had worked hard, done some studying, learned skills and was worth well over the average wage.

And if you had have left school at 14 and had worked hard etc... you would have been earning at 16 what you were earning at 20.

**bogan** · 10th October 2012, 16:39

Originally Posted by mashman

But you'll be able to hire them cheaper soon

Which evens the playing field, at the moment who would get hired first; a 16yo high school dropout (I think at 16 there would be no chance they would have gone through 7th form right?) or a 20yo who has been working for a year or two with a reference etc. Bit of a no brainer I would think, unless the 16yo is cheaper!

Also, who can't manage to live on the 10.20per hour? after tax that will still be over 350 per week, if us students can do it on 240, why can't they do it for more?

**mashman** · 10th October 2012, 16:44

Originally Posted by bogan

Which evens the playing field, at the moment who would get hired first; a 16yo high school dropout (I think at 16 there would be no chance they would have gone through 7th form right?) or a 20yo who has been working for a year or two with a reference etc. Bit of a no brainer I would think, unless the 16yo is cheaper!

Also, who can't manage to live on the 10.20per hour? after tax that will still be over 350 per week, if us students can do it on 240, why can't they do it for more?

Surely it depends on the individual? or who's cheapest.

You can always take out a student loan

**Road kill** · 10th October 2012, 17:23

The young have always been paid less than their older work mates.

And with good reason.
A lot of them are a waste of fresh air anyway,an those that do have a clue get better at what their doing and end up earning more as a result.

When I started work I was paid $25 a week for the first 12 months,my elders doing the same job where on $35.

This is life,,,it has nothing to do with white mother fuckers,,,get used to it.

**Flip** · 10th October 2012, 17:41

This is just smoke and mirrors after the recent actions of our prime minister with dotcomgate

I woulden't employ any young folk these days. It doesen't matter what the pay rate is. They are just not worth the bother.

The only think I want to hear from generetion Y these days is if I want to upsize my combo.

**scumdog** · 10th October 2012, 17:59

Originally Posted by tigertim20

When I was younger, a kid im my class (15 or 16) was the deputy storeman at a supermarket, he was responsible for a hundred thousand dollars worth of stock. he got paid significantly less per hour than the down syndrome kid who collected trollies from the car[ark, because the down's kid was a little older.

fuck that.

hmm, guess Im not so on the fence after all

And they both stayed on that same relative rate forever?? - I doubt it.

**Brian d marge** · 10th October 2012, 18:10

Just hope that when generation gets its hands on power they have a short memory ,,,, or life for the elderly will be big buckets of poo

Stephen

**scumdog** · 10th October 2012, 18:16

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

Just hope that when generation gets its hands on power they have a short memory ,,,, or life for the elderly will be big buckets of poo

Stephen

Yeah, us oldies thought that one too - many years ago...

**Berries** · 10th October 2012, 18:17

Originally Posted by tigertim20

he got paid significantly less per hour than the down syndrome kid who collected trollies from the car[ark, because the down's kid was a little older.

How is DM these days anyway?