OK - what does KB think of this?

[mossy1200]

I agree, we should also ban alcohol because some people drink too much and we should ban cars because some people are dangerous drivers. Punishing the majority for the stupidity of the minority seems to be the new craze these days.

The first step is admitting you have a problem Smokeu.

So pokie players fit into 2 catagories

the first is the addicted who cant stop.
the second is the casual who doesnt need to play them but may become addicted.

So ban pokies isnt harming them.

The clubs and charities collecting survived before hand. How about rugby players paying subs like ACC make us pay to ride.

Or should MNZ get a bunch of pokies and pay our ACC premiums for us?

[Big Dave]

'I went to Gamblers Anonymous. They gave me 4 to 1 that I wouldn't make it' - Dangerfield, R.

[Hitcher]

Whenever I see those multipage advertisements in weekend newspapers from pokies trusts and other dirty money agencies telling us how generous they are redistributing their ill-gotten gains back into society, I taste a little sick in the back of my mouth.

Double-ended dependency surely benefits nobody. There are all of the have-nots who can't afford to lose money on slot machines, lotto tickets and the like who have their hardship further intensified by the promise of that big win that would turn their lives around. Then there are dozens of worthy community causes who have become dependent on the dirty money moguls to keep them afloat. That doesn't sound like justice or particularly clever form of community engagement to me.

[GDOBSSOR]

A&P shows and trade shows are part of our culture. They are undermining Pokie businesses which are NOT part of our culture? GOOD!

[FJRider]

Then there are dozens of worthy community causes who have become dependent on the dirty money moguls to keep them afloat. That doesn't sound like justice or particularly clever form of community engagement to me.

More often they don't want to dig into their own pockets to keep their club financial.

They want the best gear for their clubs ... and don't care where the money comes from. And often as not ... some of those clubs have their own machines.

[SMOKEU]

The first step is admitting you have a problem Smokeu.

So pokie players fit into 2 catagories

the first is the addicted who cant stop.
the second is the casual who doesnt need to play them but may become addicted.

So ban pokies isnt harming them.

The clubs and charities collecting survived before hand. How about rugby players paying subs like ACC make us pay to ride.

Or should MNZ get a bunch of pokies and pay our ACC premiums for us?

Again, why should the majority of people be punished for the actions and stupidity of a minority? If some people gamble their life away then it's their choice and it's not my problem. I enjoy the odd go at the pokies (I spend less than $50 a year on gambling), so I don't see how it's fair for that to be taken away from responsible people such as myself.

[scumdog]

Again, why should the majority of people be punished for the actions and stupidity of a minority? If some people gamble their life away then it's their choice and it's not my problem. I enjoy the odd go at the pokies (I spend less than $50 a year on gambling), so I don't see how it's fair for that to be taken away from responsible people such as myself.

OK, I'll bite at your troll...

So using your logic drink-driving should be legal? - After all, only a minority ever cause problems to anybody..

[mossy1200]

Again, why should the majority of people be punished for the actions and stupidity of a minority? If some people gamble their life away then it's their choice and it's not my problem. I enjoy the odd go at the pokies (I spend less than $50 a year on gambling), so I don't see how it's fair for that to be taken away from responsible people such as myself.

So if you spend 50 but dont want to lose the ability to play a pokie machine for the social improvement of your community. Does this not say your selfish?
Smokeu. What difference would the lack of pokies make to you?
The average pokie player doesnt spend 50 per year and they get to a stage where they spend more than they can afford. I think you will find that your the minority if you spend 50 a year not the majority.

[Big Dave]

OK, I'll bite at your troll...

So using your logic drink-driving should be legal? - After all, only a minority ever cause problems to anybody..

Cool - I'll have a double thanks.

[SMOKEU]

OK, I'll bite at your troll...

So using your logic drink-driving should be legal? - After all, only a minority ever cause problems to anybody..

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics.

So if you spend 50 but dont want to lose the ability to play a pokie machine for the social improvement of your community. Does this not say your selfish?
Smokeu. What difference would the lack of pokies make to you?
The average pokie player doesnt spend 50 per year and they get to a stage where they spend more than they can afford. I think you will find that your the minority if you spend 50 a year not the majority.

It's their choice to gamble excessively. As far as I'm aware, no one holds a gun to anyones head and forces them to gamble. It's not much different to overweight people who stuff themselves with unhealthy food. If people can't control their own behaviour in terms of gambling, then I really don't care as it's not my problem. The minimum age to gamble in this country is 18 - and at that age someone is legally an adult, and should be able to make informative decisions. If they are mentally incapable of doing so, then they should be confined to a mental institution as something is severely wrong with that person.

Like I've said before, a big problem with this country is a lack of self responsibility. All the PC lefties want to ban pretty much everything that is potentially liable to abuse. Maybe we should ban petrol, because some people sniff it to get high. We should also ban knives because some people use them as a weapon. Let's ban motorcycles as well, because some people ride them dangerously. Let's just ban everything that could potentially cause harm, then we can all live in caves.

[bogan]

Highlights the need to adjust the laws a bit I reckon. Yes its technically gambling, but as it only happens once per year, there's no chance of a problematic habit forming.

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics.

They'll be filed under domestic violence.

It's their choice to gamble excessively. As far as I'm aware, no one holds a gun to anyones head and forces them to gamble. It's not much different to overweight people who stuff themselves with unhealthy food. If people can't control their own behaviour in terms of gambling, then I really don't care as it's not my problem. The minimum age to gamble in this country is 18 - and at that age someone is legally an adult, and should be able to make informative decisions. If they are mentally incapable of doing so, then they should be confined to a mental institution as something is severely wrong with that person.

Like I've said before, a big problem with this country is a lack of self responsibility. All the PC lefties want to ban pretty much everything that is potentially liable to abuse. Maybe we should ban petrol, because some people sniff it to get high. We should also ban knives because some people use them as a weapon. Let's ban motorcycles as well, because some people ride them dangerously. Let's just ban everything that could potentially cause harm, then we can all live in caves.

The difference is gambling's business model makes money off an unhealthy addiction, a more apt comparison would be with smokers. Personally I don't think it should be banned (as many people do gamble healthily), but more checks to limit problem gambling could be put in place.

[Akzle]

Organised crime *is government.

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Government sponsorship is frequently organized crime. The taxman takes your money under threat, and redistributes it to those it deems deserving. Deserving often being defined as "my party's voting bloc". Do not rinse, but do repeat...

First government...

First government...vote.

ever considered that it might just be that whole "voting" and "government will solve my problems" attitude that has got ya this far?

[mossy1200]

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics.



It's their choice to gamble excessively. As far as I'm aware, no one holds a gun to anyones head and forces them to gamble. It's not much different to overweight people who stuff themselves with unhealthy food. If people can't control their own behaviour in terms of gambling, then I really don't care as it's not my problem. The minimum age to gamble in this country is 18 - and at that age someone is legally an adult, and should be able to make informative decisions. If they are mentally incapable of doing so, then they should be confined to a mental institution as something is severely wrong with that person.

Like I've said before, a big problem with this country is a lack of self responsibility. All the PC lefties want to ban pretty much everything that is potentially liable to abuse. Maybe we should ban petrol, because some people sniff it to get high. We should also ban knives because some people use them as a weapon. Let's ban motorcycles as well, because some people ride them dangerously. Let's just ban everything that could potentially cause harm, then we can all live in caves.

Well you go tell the kid that doesnt get food because the monies in a machine or the wife that ends up homeless because the mortgage stopped getting payed 3months earlier.
Your so short sighted you cant see a flow on effect if its about to mow you down.
Maybe someone will steal your bike and sell it to feed their gambling addiction so you can wake up.

[mossy1200]

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ever considered that it might just be that whole "voting" and "government will solve my problems" attitude that has got ya this far?

I dont have a gambling problem but I know its there. I stated idd vote for change.

[scumdog]

The risk of causing severe harm or death to innocent people from driving with EBA is very real. I don't see how a pokie machine is going to kill someone, unless there is an electrical fault with the machine and it electrocutes the player, or if there's an earthquake and it crushes someone when it falls over. It would be interesting to see pokie death or ACC statistics..

I feel there's an analogy going unnoticed...