Third World NZ

**Edbear** · 6th November 2012, 13:13

Originally Posted by Usarka

is that one of those korean joints? I've been to a few (don't know their names) and they're usually a good feed....

The money saved = a cd up the road at groovy.

Yup! Kangnam is down on the corner of Mayoral and one of our favourite restaurants! Great food, great price, friendly staff, (the boss is a hoot!), and just a short stroll up to Real Groovy, one of our favourite shops in the CBD!

**Ocean1** · 6th November 2012, 13:50

Originally Posted by jim.cox

And you get to actually OWN it

I've payed for most of my collection several times, through purchases of the same material on several different media, over several decades.

I already own it, why the fuck should I pay for it yet again?

**Big Dave** · 6th November 2012, 14:05

I'd answer you - but I'm updating the OS on my iPad.

**Gremlin** · 6th November 2012, 14:07

Originally Posted by jim.cox

And you get to actually OWN it

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I already own it, why the fuck should I pay for it yet again?

I'd double check the licence you're actually getting. You probably don't OWN it, but have a licence for that copy... something like that.

Also, the way NZ copyright laws are, if you buy a CD then copy to your PC, you're actually breaking the law, as you are not allowed to duplicate at all...

Crazy... but that's the way it is.

**James Deuce** · 6th November 2012, 14:08

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I've payed for most of my collection several times, through purchases of the same material on several different media, over several decades.

I already own it, why the fuck should I pay for it yet again?

Yes, exactly and that's where an ethical distribution model would allow current owners to follow an industry format shift and additional expense.

Excuse me, I have to check in to hospital in case my aneurysm just popped from laughing so hard.

**mashman** · 6th November 2012, 14:32

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Yes, exactly and that's where an ethical distribution model would allow current owners to follow an industry format shift and additional expense.

Excuse me, I have to check in to hospital in case my aneurysm just popped from laughing so hard.

Isn't that what cables and burnable/copyable devices are for? I have a few LP's on "disc"

**Usarka** · 6th November 2012, 14:45

Well...... JB and the ware whare both didn't have the 2 cd's I was looking for. To be fair both are indie/alternate, but far from being unknown. Checked real groovy online, they didn't have either (not sure if they put their full stock online or not).

So I'm officially unable to buy this shit in New Zealand in an open format that can be played on a non-apple device.

The cunts won't let me buy their shit. And they complain when people pirate stuff.

**James Deuce** · 6th November 2012, 15:04

Originally Posted by mashman

Isn't that what cables and burnable/copyable devices are for? I have a few LP's on "disc"

That's not a distribution model, that's a cottage industry.

**James Deuce** · 6th November 2012, 15:07

Originally Posted by Usarka

Well...... JB and the ware whare both didn't have the 2 cd's I was looking for. To be fair both are indie/alternate, but far from being unknown. Checked real groovy online, they didn't have either (not sure if they put their full stock online or not).

So I'm officially unable to buy this shit in New Zealand in an open format that can be played on a non-apple device.

The cunts won't let me buy their shit. And they complain when people pirate stuff.

Oh no, the artist will miss out on money!

I still reckon that the music industry is run by Mr Krabs. It smacks of his "money at any cost" and "screw the productive labour over" approach to business.

**mashman** · 6th November 2012, 15:09

Originally Posted by James Deuce

That's not a distribution model, that's a cottage industry.

Indeedy it could be, but it was meaning that ya don't have to buy it again and again if you transfer it from media to media. Short term cost, long term gain.

**James Deuce** · 6th November 2012, 15:12

Originally Posted by mashman

Indeedy it could be, but it was meaning that ya don't have to buy it again and again if you transfer it from media to media. Short term cost, long term gain.

No. You're still spending money on something you already bought. Format changes are simply a tool to increase revenue on back catalogue. Develop an industry standard, squash the inevitable competitors, use the squashing to build the hype until consumers feel they HAVE to migrate.

**imdying** · 6th November 2012, 15:12

Originally Posted by Usarka

The cunts won't let me buy their shit. And they complain when people pirate stuff.

Yep, that sums it up.

They've always colluded on pricing, and used protectionist policies... and for ages that's just the way it was. The brouhaha in the last decade has mostly been had the recording industries stubborn attitude towards moving into the global economy at it's heart. But, as they have witnessed, people could give two shits about outdated laws used to engineer a monopoly. I expect that at some stage a major player will break ranks and move into the real world... but they'll need a pretty tight strategy that forces the others to follow suit (or bow out), otherwise they'll be ostracised, marginalised, and run out of business.

**Gremlin** · 6th November 2012, 15:27

Originally Posted by Usarka

Well...... JB and the ware whare both didn't have the 2 cd's I was looking for. To be fair both are indie/alternate, but far from being unknown. Checked real groovy online, they didn't have either (not sure if they put their full stock online or not).

So I'm officially unable to buy this shit in New Zealand in an open format that can be played on a non-apple device.

The cunts won't let me buy their shit. And they complain when people pirate stuff.

Marbecks??

**Usarka** · 6th November 2012, 16:21

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Marbecks??

Legend. One of the albums out of stock, but both are on mp3. Lossy, but better than nothing. Didn't realise they were still going and/or doing digital.

Chur bro.