Weed legalised in 2 USA states

[Tigadee]

One of the things I read about it was that the deglamourisation of the process (likened to queuing up to renew your driver's licence, EVERY MORNING) had had a marked effect on the numbers of addicts.

I like THAT!

[jrandom]

I can stop at the pub and have a drink or maybe two - not to get any effect...

Don't be a fool, man.

If you like riding your motorbike after two standard drinks, go hard. It's legal and the risk is small. But drop the hypocrisy eh?

[007XX]

I can stop at the pub and have a drink or maybe two - not to get any effect from the alcohol (Hell, I even drink Amstel light at times) but just to have a cold drink I like the taste of and in company

With all due respect... Are you serious? ANY alcohol has an effect, as you should well know. Whether your body has built an ability to make you feel less affected to it via habit is one thing but it doesn't mean there is no effect, sorry.

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Can you have a toke without expecting a buzz?...IS there "Light Tokes' (tm)??
Just saying man...[/QUOTE]

You wouldn't find a weed that doesn't affect you at all, unless its so old that all the THC has been dehydrated out of it I think. Don't quote me on this one, I'm no expert.

But there are various degrees of potency for sure, so a "light toke" as you put it is not out of the question.

Visit Amsterdam someday, they'll fill you in gladly

[huff3r]

With all due respect... Are you serious? ANY alcohol has an effect, as you should well know. Whether your body has built an ability to make you feel less affected to it via habit is one thing but it doesn't mean there is no effect, sorry.


Can you have a toke without expecting a buzz?...IS there "Light Tokes' (tm)??
Just saying man...

You wouldn't find a weed that doesn't affect you at all, unless its so old that all the THC has been dehydrated out of it I think. Don't quote me on this one, I'm no expert.

But there are various degrees of potency for sure, so a "light toke" as you put it is not out of the question.

Visit Amsterdam someday, they'll fill you in gladly

I think his point wasn't that he wouldn't be affected by the alcohol, but that the effect was not his reason for drinking it. He drinks beer because he likes the taste.

I haven't tried smoking pot myself, but I'm pretty sure nobody smokes it for the taste or the smell or whatever. They smoke it for the buzz.

Alcohol is primarily a drink with the side affect of affecting the mind. Weed is primarily used for affecting the mind.

Also Alcohol is a heap easier to control when it comes to people driving. Very easy to breath or blood test using readily available equipment..

(I'm not saying people don't mis-use booze as a buzz as well, just that it has another purpose).

[mashman]

Is that realistic though (having it on shelves) with the current anti-towbaccy stuff going on, legalising another drug that's smoked would be plain silly of them (in a political sense), would it not?

You could buy the legal highs from the dairy.

Can you have a toke without expecting a buzz?...IS there "Light Tokes' (tm)??
Just saying man...

As the lady says, yes, you just need to smoke a couple of puffs (that does not peel a couple of Honda riders from the lights), but you will get a slight "buzz"

[BoristheBiter]

Dude I am all for legalisation of it, and if it was legal it would not increase my consumption one iota: from zero to zero.

But from every reasonable and reasoned perspective prohibition simply does not work. So, take all the money spent on trying to enforce the unenforceable, and spend it on education, so people make better life choices, or whatever.

My view is that if you can afford to buy it, and if you dont fuck up anything other than yourself, then you should be free to stick anything in your body you want to. Just don't steal to fund a habit, etc.

The Swedish approach. Oh, you're a drug addict. Come to this clinic every morning, here is your free state supplied drugs, fill in this form,join this queue, here you go, next please. One of the things I read about it was that the deglamourisation of the process (likened to queuing up to renew your driver's licence, EVERY MORNING) had had a marked effect on the numbers of addicts.

Spoken like a true lawyer, from somewhere between the real world and fantasy land.

[Banditbandit]

Most pot smokers started out with alcohol and tobacco.

And all hard drug users started on MILK

[jrandom]

He drinks beer because he likes the taste.

Man, I just don't believe that shit. Ginger beer tastes pretty good, but you never see these "I just drink it for the taste" guys drinking ginger beer, do you? It's always something with alcohol in it. The ones who drink ginger beer or lemonade when they stop at the pub simply say "I don't drink alcohol when I ride".

I haven't tried smoking pot myself, but I'm pretty sure nobody smokes it for the taste or the smell or whatever.

Actually, not true. Cannabis bud can be a lovely thing to smoke. Very fragrant and tasty. Complex aromas. Just as interesting on the palate as wine or tobacco. Yes, it gives you a buzz, but I enjoy it in the same way I enjoy Erinmore Flake in my tobacco pipe.

But, like wine or tobacco, it can also be crappy. If all I could smoke was rank-arse shitty bud that tasted like dirt and twigs, I'd be likely to just not get stoned at all. In the same way as I'll smoke a cigar or the right pipe tobacco and enjoy the nicotine buzz, but I'm not usually interested in smoking tailor-made durries. And neither will I drink wine out of a cardboard box, no matter how much I feel like I could use some ethanol in my system.

Alcohol is primarily a drink with the side affect of affecting the mind. Weed is primarily used for affecting the mind.

What utter bollocks.

With a clean water supply and refrigeration technology, there's no reason whatsoever to drink alcohol for any purpose other than its psychoactive effects. We haven't needed to ferment beverages to stop them from spoiling for over a century now.

[ducatilover]

You could buy the legal highs from the dairy.

The cuurent crusade about quashing legal highs is another thing that'll make getting weed legal harder, arguably some of those highs have less of an effect on the user and oh me, oh my, they're sinful bad drugs and Satan will hump you.
If weed was legalised, you'd expect many of thoe legal highs will become legal again, otherwise the hypocrisy would be overwhelming.

And Towbacky is not as much of a high inducing thing and it's almost criminal to have a fag in the mouth in public now.

I just don't see it.

[007XX]

The cuurent crusade about quashing legal highs is another thing that'll make getting weed legal harder, arguably some of those highs have less of an effect on the user and oh me, oh my, they're sinful bad drugs and Satan will hump you.
If weed was legalised, you'd expect many of thoe legal highs will become legal again, otherwise the hypocrisy would be overwhelming.

And Towbacky is not as much of a high inducing thing and it's almost criminal to have a fag in the mouth in public now.

I just don't see it.

Could it possibly be because of the fact that tobacco is undeniably way more addictive, and actively ruining the health of people who use it, regardless of whether they abuse it or not?

Don't get me wrong, I used to be a smoker. I do not have an addictive nature but tobacco had me for a number of years.

[mashman]

The cuurent crusade about quashing legal highs is another thing that'll make getting weed legal harder, arguably some of those highs have less of an effect on the user and oh me, oh my, they're sinful bad drugs and Satan will hump you.
If weed was legalised, you'd expect many of thoe legal highs will become legal again, otherwise the hypocrisy would be overwhelming.

And Towbacky is not as much of a high inducing thing and it's almost criminal to have a fag in the mouth in public now.

I just don't see it.

I reckon the legal highs will disappear. I didn't particularly enjoy the legal highs. Good enough, but no substitute by any means... and I will educate my kids thusly when they come of age.

Edit: Last year legal highs killed 43 people in the UK, up from 5 the year before. In the history of mankind (and women too I guess), how many have been killed through smoking Cannabis?

[jrandom]

I reckon the legal highs will disappear.

Yeah, they're nasty. I don't touch them no more. People only smoke them because either:

(a) they can't get the real thing cos they don't have the hookups, or

(b) they get drug-tested at work.

Legalisation fixes (a), and (b) isn't an issue if you smoke carefully and in moderation. THC only stays in your system for a long time if you build it up in your system for a long time. I work with someone who smoked up on Friday night and pissed clear on Monday morning. The key is to be clear, stay clear, have one smoke when you're not going to be going to work for the next day or two, and leave it at that.

[jrandom]

Edit: Last year legal highs killed 43 people in the UK, up from 5 the year before.

That won't be cannabinoid-type legal highs, it'll be completely unrelated stimulants, I'd expect.

[Banditbandit]

how many have been killed through smoking Cannabis?

There is research indicating it is carcinogenic .. smoking cannabis can potentially give you throat and lung cancer ... it sis just as dangerous as tobacco

But then I think that smoking ANYTHING can potentially do that ..

[jrandom]

There is research indicating it is carcinogenic .. smoking cannabis can potentially give you throat and lung cancer ...

Smoking anything will do that.

That's why cooking with cannabis instead of smoking it is a Good Thing (tm).