'Merkin 'lections

[James Deuce]

I've been giggling at murkins insisting that Obama is a Communist, which is a fair indicator that the ones insisting that haven't read the Manifesto, at all.

Another irksome thing is our quaint notions that Democrats equate to Labour/Green types and Republicans are National-type people. The truth is that the Democrats are about where National is in the political spectrum and Republicans sit a lot further to the right than National, spanning ACT through to out and out Capitalist Dictator types, not benevolent ones either. Paul Ryan is a scary mofo and he'll be back. Which is not good news for America's rapidly expiring middle class.

I was chatting with Paul in NZ the other day and have followed up with a bit of light reading. He's quite right that in any other country the Republican Party would have fractured, probably about the time Newt Gingrich started ousting moderate Republicans from the Congressional and Senatorial power base and replacing them with the Tea Party crowd who are fundamentally aiming for something the Rockefeller's tried on in the 30s, a fascist coup with a military puppet, or at least an ignorant and biddable puppet at the head. Shame Sarah Palin was just so freaking dumb really.

[Big Dave]

The Right V The Further Right.

What about 'I'm going to get more AK47s before they are made illegal' on the Buell moan-fest.

[pzkpfw]

I've been giggling at murkins insisting that Obama is a Communist, which is a fair indicator that the ones insisting that haven't read the Manifesto, at all. ...

I've had the exact same thought. They make me laugh: when denouncing the Democrats with such hysterical propoganda that actual Soviet style communists would be impressed. (Not that I'm saying only "commies" have propoganda...)

[Edbear]

Dang tootin' right there Merv!

Ford was offered, turned it down, reckoned they didn't need it.

[Paul in NZ]

Speaking personally I breathed a sigh of relief... Just the tought of the tea party getting within a 100 miles of the reins of power sent a shudder through me...

A good friend of mine is a retired merkin engineer. A nicer man and wife you could not wish to meet BUT... They are the base on which the tea party surged into influence. White upper middle class, religious, just retired (not volunteerily) and watching their assets disapear in the global melt down they feel let down and betrayed. What they dont see is that was their people that caused this mess and profitted by it. They were not sold out by the lower classes but rather the master of the universe who have suffered not a jot in this mess - so they are angry and confused and are falling back into ulta conservatisim....

To escape they wanted to move here (dunedin actually which says something)

I've been sent the links, read the diatribes and sat in stunned disbelief...

America is a land of immigrants and immigrants change things because successful immigrants have a vitality natives never seem to have. America is changing and hopefull for the better BUT... Look out for the far right because they are tricky and if they can swing enough moderates their way we are all in trouble...

[oldrider]

Do Americans (or anyone else for that matter) actually know what they are voting for?

I found this interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skw-0...eature=related

[mashman]

Do Americans (or anyone else for that matter) actually know what they are voting for?

I found this interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skw-0...eature=related

Aye... Would the same policies have been implemented and signed by Romney if he had just had 4 years. Absofucknlutely. Hang on, that can't be right, coz that would mean the the president isn't in control of the country.

[Berries]

To escape they wanted to move here (dunedin actually which says something)

We need good hot dogs.





And rendition.

[oldrider]

Aye... Would the same policies have been implemented and signed by Romney if he had just had 4 years. Absofucknlutely. Hang on, that can't be right, coz that would mean the the president isn't in control of the country.

Would we be able to spot the difference? It looks like the voters don't know the difference if that clip is actually true!

[mashman]

Would we be able to spot the difference? It looks like the voters don't know the difference if that clip is actually true!

I certainly wouldn't. I was having a chat with a chum on the chooch the other day and she was trying to convince me that The Democrats and Republicans were different. She told me what their core policies were and when I asked why all bar one of them was law, she clammed. She's a smart smart girl, but it confirmed to me that the shiny baubles touted as ideology are just spin polished marbles of shit. I seems that the little things that crop up during a term aren't in any party manifesto (should we care to look in the first place). But hey, our representatives are doing what's best for everyone, not just the "lobby" groups.

Do you read the policy's of the main party's before an election? How many do ya reckon do? How many do you reckon did once upon a time are were sold the "ideology" and just accept whatever the party then decides to do? T'would seem a like supporting a football team, or a rugby team, or a brand of car etc... dare we change our allegiance or do we support them through thick and thin.

How many people here have been National/Labour/Green/ACT/Monster raving looney party since day 1? Is it a point of principle? Is it the belief in the core ideology? Meh... scratch that, as you were.

[Ocean1]

White upper middle class, religious, just retired (not volunteerily) and watching their assets disapear in the global melt down they feel let down and betrayed. What they dont see is that was their people that caused this mess and profitted by it. They were not sold out by the lower classes but rather the master of the universe who have suffered not a jot in this mess - so they are angry and confused and are falling back into ulta conservatisim....

I can sympathise with them. But, the mortgages that ended up on-sold on the sub-prime market like so many hot potatoes were invented by Republicans?

I know nothing, I'd just assumed that particular lolly scramble had democratic roots.

[James Deuce]

Thoroughly rooted in the Republican camp, leveraging on legislation and Federal institutions created by Roosevelt's Democratic Government.

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/subprime.htm

[Ocean1]

Thoroughly rooted in the Republican camp.

So, unlike here, for example, where such largess is far more likely to be the result of left-ish entities with questionable understanding of market cause/effect, in the US it was the rabid right who orchestrated legislation all but mandating dodgy loans? Presumably in order to provide a foundation on which selected 2nd and 3rd tier financial institutions could benefit from repeatedly short-selling, knowing that subsequent government would make good?

I've taken very little notice of the whole string of events, feel free to re-structure the above.

[sgtp]

some light reading on a rainy indoor day for wellingtonians: http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.co.nz/

America chose to overlook obama's broken promises, gross incompetence, failed policies, and outright hypocrisy and instead see him as the best president we have ever been so lucky to be ruled by. These obama whackos drool over this guy either thinking his a hottie (he looks pretty effeminate to me, lol) or the second coming of Christ. With a loyal following like his, and the mainstream media in his back pocket, he is immune to all negative criticism. He constantly gets a free pass, something he has enjoyed through what little we know of his past (him? in Harvard? yeah right). When you add this up, and include his visions of fundamentally transforming America (Into what? the socialist wasteland of Europe?), I find this man to be extremely dangerous, and share the fear that is currently being felt by 50% of America right now.

[Ocean1]

Thoroughly rooted in the Republican camp, leveraging on legislation and Federal institutions created by Roosevelt's Democratic Government.

Hmmm. No convinced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines

Sounds like a thief of Democratic flavour.


Really just confirms my prejudice against allowing anyone to fuck with what should be natural markets. Every time there's a well-intentioned "adjustment", (not to mention downright criminal fingers in the till type activities) some very clever dickies find ways to maximise their take on the situation. And I can't really blame them, it would take a saint to ignore it.