'Merkin 'lections

**mashman** · 11th November 2012, 19:53

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Dunno. Maybe the economy falls into recession in spite of tweaks to monetory policy. P'raps making cash easier to borrow, for example doesn't stimulate spending enough once it becomes obvious that borrowing money in a contracting economy is a bad idea.

I guess in the long run fucking with controls on public money doesn't really change the behaviour of thse who have private money to spend. Or not.

That could well be the case, the correlation could just be coincidence

or it could be the fed trying to preempt and mitigate the rumour mill... who knows what those crazy cats get up to. According to them economics folks, easy money drives up inflation, which makes money less valuable, which in some strange circles probably makes it less attractive as it's cheap to borrow... then when rates rise again it becomes expensive to pay back (if you didn't/couldn't pay it back at the rate borrowed)... bummer for those holding mortgages I guess... which, unfortunately makes some form of perverse sense. Greenspan drops a smellier fart than usual and the world nearly collapses.

Tis only the plebs who have public money, joe bloggs, govts and the like

... the private money holders are mainly asset based aren't they? Either way they command some impressive lines of credit. Wonder how Ellison is getting on with his island.

**oldrider** · 11th November 2012, 20:22

Running a complete power system and grid would be similar to running the monetary system, if it isn't balanced it isn't going to work properly.

All man made and designed to serve the needs of mankind rather than the greed of mankind.

The faulty power system would be corrected very quickly but a faulty monetary system is dependant on getting the greedy "people" sorted.

The greedy people are protected by stupid politicians who have no idea about how either system works or why!

They can fool some of the people some of the time but in monetary matters they fool all of the people all of the time!

Give me control of the finances of the world, I care not who makes the laws: Lord Rothschild ... he knew exactly what he was saying and why!

They give us elections to occupy our minds on things that have no consequence, American presidential is the standard of stupidity desired!

**mashman** · 11th November 2012, 20:41

Originally Posted by oldrider

Running a complete power system and grid would be similar to running the monetary system, if it isn't balanced it isn't going to work properly.

All man made and designed to serve the needs of mankind rather than the greed of mankind.

Aaaaaand like all systems, the best ones are simple and free

**scumdog** · 11th November 2012, 21:01

Originally Posted by mashman

Aaaaaand like all systems, the best ones are simple and free

You could build a hydro-electric scheme for no cost??

**oldrider** · 11th November 2012, 21:11

Originally Posted by scumdog

You could build a hydro-electric scheme for no cost??

Eventually, if you use Social Credit it can be done but not on the current Social Debt system!

**mashman** · 11th November 2012, 21:25

Originally Posted by scumdog

You could build a hydro-electric scheme for no cost??

I depends on who you elect

**scumdog** · 11th November 2012, 21:30

Originally Posted by mashman

I depends on who you elect

Tell me more - I would be interested in a political party that would do stuff for free, no money up front!

And have it done like right now.

**mashman** · 11th November 2012, 22:05

Originally Posted by scumdog

Tell me more - I would be interested in a political party that would do stuff for free, no money up front!

And have it done like right now.

you're taunting me arentcha - any political party could do stuff for free if they chose to.

Nothing need change, completely as it is right now. You are perceived to have X amount of $$$, let that perception continue without the actual $$$ needing to be in your pocket or bank. NZ will still be generating wealth, however resources "produced" in NZ would be free. There would still be a GDP for the rest of the world to suckle upon and most of society's ills vanish. Et voila, free hydro-electric scheme... Perception is everything

**oldrider** · 12th November 2012, 06:32

Originally Posted by scumdog

Tell me more - I would be interested in a political party that would do stuff for free, no money up front!

And have it done like right now.

The private banks do that now ... they honour their own cheques!

Ever see a bank without a building etc and all the facilities they need to work with and from?

Look up "Democrats for Social Credit" I think their Webb site will have it there in plain enough English.

**Oscar** · 12th November 2012, 09:05

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

By its nature this is a fundamentalist and expansionist religion dedicated to recruiting as many members as possible and it is NOT a religion of tolerance, arguably due to its history.

The main religious groups in the US (and NZ for that matter) could be described thusly.

**Oscar** · 12th November 2012, 09:06

Originally Posted by oldrider

The private banks do that now ... they honour their own cheques!

Ever see a bank without a building etc and all the facilities they need to work with and from?

Look up "Democrats for Social Credit" I think their Webb site will have it there in plain enough English.

Pray tell how one would run a bank without a building and all the facililities?
From a tent, with an abacus??

**Oscar** · 12th November 2012, 09:07

Originally Posted by mashman

..simple and free

Sums you up to a tee!

**Paul in NZ** · 12th November 2012, 09:53

Originally Posted by Oscar

The main religious groups in the US (and NZ for that matter) could be described thusly.

Ha - yes, indeed, nearly all religions could be depending on where you sit.

In this case I'm more meaning that fundamentalism is the demand for a strict adherence to specific theological doctrines usually understood as a reaction against Modernist theology. (see link below) The Anglicans etc are all considering things like gay marriage and making accommodations and the Mormons are a wee way behind the current thinking on this stuff... Also many of the established churches are loosing ground in the white middle classes while the Mormons are still actively recruiting.

In the religious context 'fundamentalism' is a funny term. Originally it applied to Protestant Communities in the USA

see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

Mormons have their own book and believe its for real. Its interesting to note that there has been a fair bit of revision of their systems though. Usually resulting in financial / membership gains and there are sects withing the Mormon world that reject this and are really quite stroppy about the whole deal.

The really right wing christian types in the USA kind regard the Mormons as a sect. Albeit a hard working, thrifty family values type sect that fits very well with the American ideal. Hence they can tolerate Mitt.

Had he been elected I think there would have been some really big social issues crop up that would distract the govt from solving the real issues of unemployment and a spluttering economy. Nothing like dragging up the abortion issue to scupper that for a few months.