Weed legalised in 2 USA states

[Edbear]

Easy fix. Just make it illegal to drive after any drink at all!! Done!
Drink is possibly legal due to one being able to have a couple of beers or a wine and not be affected as such, have 1 toke and you effected straight away.

At least the limit should be far lower than it is now! But that's only going to work if the courts get serious about penalties and stop using the wet bus ticket approach.

Blow over the limit, automatically lose the car for 28 days and still get a court summons or fine/loss of licence, etc. There is no excuse for driving drunk anymore!

[oneofsix]

At least the limit should be far lower than it is now! But that's only going to work if the courts get serious about penalties and stop using the wet bus ticket approach.

Blow over the limit, automatically lose the car for 28 days and still get a court summons or fine/loss of licence, etc. There is no excuse for driving drunk anymore!

Typical It is not the people that are at or just over the limit that are the problem so lowering the limit further is not going to fix the problem of those recidivists that blow 2 to 3 times the limit, if anything it makes it better for them as the system clogs up with the merry rather than the drunk and again the poor lose support and respect trying to enforce ill conceived knee jerk crap.

[Edbear]

Typical It is not the people that are at or just over the limit that are the problem so lowering the limit further is not going to fix the problem of those recidivists that blow 2 to 3 times the limit, if anything it makes it better for them as the system clogs up with the merry rather than the drunk and again the poor lose support and respect trying to enforce ill conceived knee jerk crap.

Unfortunately for your argument, current research, if anyone is keeping up, shows that the current limit is too high and people are affected adversely at the limit as it is.

Automatic loss of car/licence would also get the recidivist drivers as they are more obviously under the influence by their erratic driving and more of a target. The police have to have reasonable cause to believe you are under the influence in order to pull you over, so if your driving is fine, you are unlikely to get caught unless at a checkpoint.

[blue rider]

Yes it did happen it is true. maybe since you lived there it was just normal behavior?

As a tourist i was shocked at how bad it was never felt safe the whole week we where there.
I would have to say you are partially right about Amsterdam as the rest of the Netherlands is fantastic but the main reason they flock there is the drugs.
Remove the drugs remove the scum that is associated with them.

scum to you, taxed revenue to the netherlands.

fact is that this outdated model of allowing one drug to be consumed without hardly any restrictions and criminalsing other drugs is to be continued, people will flog to country like the netherlands and if it is only to experience the what the fuss is all about.

Lets criminalise alcohol use. no home brewing, all liqueor stores are dealers etc...see where I am going.
Fact is that some like weed and don't like alcohol, and vice versa. As long as the use of either does not harm the populace at large both should be permitted, albeit in a controlled manner.

Everything else is hypocrosy. As for nasty stoned people, I was born in bavaria, every year for the Octoberfest we have hundreds of thousands of mainly english/american/australian/kiwis making a spectacle out of themselves because they can't handle their alcohol. Again, like for Holland, it is tolerated, laughed about as it brings money to the city's coffers.

as for feeling safe? walk by a Pub on a friday night and I can guarantee you it is not very safe. Drunk people are agressive, loud, and full of themselves, and happy to fight for nothing at all. Scum, you would call them. Remove the alcohol and remove the scum.

[BoristheBiter]

scum to you, taxed revenue to the netherlands.

fact is that this outdated model of allowing one drug to be consumed without hardly any restrictions and criminalsing other drugs is to be continued, people will flog to country like the netherlands and if it is only to experience the what the fuss is all about.

Lets criminalise alcohol use. no home brewing, all liqueor stores are dealers etc...see where I am going.
Fact is that some like weed and don't like alcohol, and vice versa. As long as the use of either does not harm the populace at large both should be permitted, albeit in a controlled manner.

Everything else is hypocrosy. As for nasty stoned people, I was born in bavaria, every year for the Octoberfest we have hundreds of thousands of mainly english/american/australian/kiwis making a spectacle out of themselves because they can't handle their alcohol. Again, like for Holland, it is tolerated, laughed about as it brings money to the city's coffers.

as for feeling safe? walk by a Pub on a friday night and I can guarantee you it is not very safe. Drunk people are agressive, loud, and full of themselves, and happy to fight for nothing at all. Scum, you would call them. Remove the alcohol and remove the scum.

So the points I have gotten out of that is
1) you don't mind the problems drugs cause,
2) you think everything should be legal,
3) if it makes money then there is no problem,

[BoristheBiter]

Typical It is not the people that are at or just over the limit that are the problem so lowering the limit further is not going to fix the problem of those recidivists that blow 2 to 3 times the limit, if anything it makes it better for them as the system clogs up with the merry rather than the drunk and again the poor lose support and respect trying to enforce ill conceived knee jerk crap.

It doesn't matter if they are just over or miles over the fact is they are over.
The problem is the soft cock approach to all offending in this country.

[scumdog]

The police have to have reasonable cause to believe you are under the influence in order to pull you over, so if your driving is fine, you are unlikely to get caught unless at a checkpoint.

Uh, no Ed - remember the 'Anywhere -anytime' ad cmpaign?

No such thing as needing a 'reasonable cause to believe' anymore, went out with black&whites with cherries on top I suspect..

[Edbear]

Uh, no Ed - remember the 'Anywhere -anytime' ad cmpaign?

No such thing as needing a 'reasonable cause to believe' anymore, went out with black&whites with cherries on top I suspect..

I stand corrected, not that it worries me at all. Only time I get stopped is at a checkpoint.

[scumdog]

Easy fix. Just make it illegal to drive after any drink at all!! Done!
Drink is possibly legal due to one being able to have a couple of beers or a wine and not be affected as such, have 1 toke and you effected straight away.

It's coming, first just for the recidivists...

And the limit will be 250 instead of 400 in the near future, mark my words..

[blue rider]

So the points I have gotten out of that is
1) you don't mind the problems drugs cause,
2) you think everything should be legal,
3) if it makes money then there is no problem,

no

a. what about as long as they (users of alcohol and other intoxicating substances) dont harm society and the populace at large do you not understand

a. controlled and supervised, will prevent abuse, take it away from the gangs and other organised crime

b. keeping drugs such as weed at the same legal level as alcohol, does not translate into 'everything should be legal

c. if it makes money in a capitalistic society there is no problem....this has been proven many many times, re: Cigarettes, very addictive, available everywhere, highly deadly but oh dear taxed to the hilt. everythime a pack gets sold the tax man smiles.

i am aware that my english sometimes is funney and phonetically, and yes I am fluent in germlish. But it appears that you can't read and understand plain english. So please Mr. Biter, sharpen your theeth and try again.


Bored now.

[SMOKEU]

scum to you, taxed revenue to the netherlands.

fact is that this outdated model of allowing one drug to be consumed without hardly any restrictions and criminalsing other drugs is to be continued, people will flog to country like the netherlands and if it is only to experience the what the fuss is all about.

Lets criminalise alcohol use. no home brewing, all liqueor stores are dealers etc...see where I am going.
Fact is that some like weed and don't like alcohol, and vice versa. As long as the use of either does not harm the populace at large both should be permitted, albeit in a controlled manner.

Everything else is hypocrosy. As for nasty stoned people, I was born in bavaria, every year for the Octoberfest we have hundreds of thousands of mainly english/american/australian/kiwis making a spectacle out of themselves because they can't handle their alcohol. Again, like for Holland, it is tolerated, laughed about as it brings money to the city's coffers.

as for feeling safe? walk by a Pub on a friday night and I can guarantee you it is not very safe. Drunk people are agressive, loud, and full of themselves, and happy to fight for nothing at all. Scum, you would call them. Remove the alcohol and remove the scum.

The difference is that stoned people are extremely unlikely to go around causing fights or vandalizing property compared to drunks.

[scumdog]

The difference is that stoned people are extremely unlikely to go around causing fights or vandalizing property compared to drunks.

If only all that they indulged in was cannabis...

[007XX]

If only all that they indulged in was cannabis...

So is it the norm for marijuana consummers to abuse of other substances at the same time?

I am genuinely just asking, as it's obviously difficult to get an unbiaised data source on this.

[SMOKEU]

If only all that they indulged in was cannabis...

So then the cannabis really has nothing to do with what they're doing.

[onearmedbandit]

If only all that they indulged in was cannabis...

So there we go, it's not the cannabis causing the problem, it's the combination of other drugs/poisons, most likely alcohol I'm guessing.