Ranting about NZ retailers

[Clockwork]

Some compelling points about purchase price and delivery times.

But gravy train????????????????????? I know very very few motorcycle industry people that are so flush with huge profits that they are riding the gravy train.............In fact I know of none.

Many of us have in fact adapted and WORK BLOODY HARD to make a living.

But Ive made the point many times and people are not prepared to enagage about it. As a by product of the way the world has evoved this is putting many ordinary everyday working people out of work. For myriad reasons ( and this is not a point made to seek an argument as it has been done to death )we are sending lots of money offshore where it is going into the local economies there, it sure as hell doesnt get put back into our economy.

SO WHERE DO ALL OF THESE DISPLACED WORKERS GO?????

Relax, Robert. It's just the free market at work. I'd have thought you'd approve.


What pisses me off is the hypocrisy of multinationals demanding a global market place (as long as they can still control local pricing.)

[Bassmatt]

I am an exporter as well, dont have a problem with gst.

you should go and see a tax specialist or maybe even an accountant (used to be RT's storeman)

I'm a price taker not a price maker unfortunately. When GST went from 12.5% to 15% where do you think the extra 2.5% came from?
I have an accountant.

[SS90]

I am an exporter as well, dont have a problem with gst.

you should go and see a tax specialist or maybe even an accountant (used to be RT's storeman)

Peejay, you either have the most crooked accountant in NZ, or you are telling porkies.

Earlier this year, you informed me that you "had a little sideline business importing used vehicles" and "don't pay GST, because you "claim in back"

Which is A) a complete LIE,
or
B) Tax fraud.
As, GST in non recoverable on imported vehicles. There is no duty, but GST is not recoverable.
Rather than me posting a link to the relevant sections of tax law, you should think very carefully how you answer this.

Now you tell us you are an exporter, and "don't have trouble with GST"

Care to elaborate?
Remember, this ain't a pissing contest down the boozer with drunken mates, there are real industry people on this thread, and some of us have been in the import business for a few decades.

[Pixie]

Some compelling points about purchase price and delivery times.

But gravy train????????????????????? I know very very few motorcycle industry people that are so flush with huge profits that they are riding the gravy train.............In fact I know of none.

Many of us have in fact adapted and WORK BLOODY HARD to make a living.

But Ive made the point many times and people are not prepared to enagage about it. As a by product of the way the world has evoved this is putting many ordinary everyday working people out of work. For myriad reasons ( and this is not a point made to seek an argument as it has been done to death )we are sending lots of money offshore where it is going into the local economies there, it sure as hell doesnt get put back into our economy.

SO WHERE DO ALL OF THESE DISPLACED WORKERS GO?????

They see Paula Benefit and she shows them all the wonderful jobs that National have created for them

[wysper]

This is a good question that has no response from any of the dealers or people in the know on here.

I will take a stab at this. This is in relation to the question of why don't the shops go back to the distributor/importer and say hey dickwad, your prices are too fricken high!! Change them.

Answer would most likely be along the lines of the following.

We would love to, however in NZ we buy so few of part x compared to almost any other international market we don't get the price breaks other dealers do. Remember out country is smaller than many other cities!

We are a million miles away from where this is coming from freight is higher, also we are expected to have every part, model, colour, size in at all times and if they are not in stock they should be only minutes away. We can't use sea freight or it will take too long, so we air freight it in (or spend a small fortune trying to hold all the stock). Price is higher.

We have to provide a warranty - international suppliers don't, we pay for parts and labour for the warranty repair.
So we try to carry a selection of spare parts, this is like trying to read a crystal ball. We have parts for some models that are close to twenty years old. However we have no chance of stocking every spare part we might need.

We warehouse the products.

We help promote the products.

We pay our governments numerous charges, port charges, duty, gst, bio security, handling and anything else our government can think of.

Staff wages.

Local freight.

ACC/OSH requirements and compliance costs.

At least two of our manufactures require orders 6 months out, confirmed and finaled 3 months out. We have to GUESS what our clients will need/want. We guess wrong, we have dead stock, or lose sales.

We try to make it so we can supply the goods as close to the US/UK retail as possible. But it is bloody hard.
Infact, usually we can't, so we try to get as close as we can.

Very few are getting rich here doing this.

Maybe the model does have to change... one question would be how would we do it and still keep everyone employed?

Hope it helps.

[PeeJay]

Peejay, you either have the most crooked accountant in NZ, or you are telling porkies.

Earlier this year, you informed me that you "had a little sideline business importing used vehicles" and "don't pay GST, because you "claim in back"

Which is A) a complete LIE,
or
B) Tax fraud.
As, GST in non recoverable on imported vehicles. There is no duty, but GST is not recoverable.
Rather than me posting a link to the relevant sections of tax law, you should think very carefully how you answer this.

Now you tell us you are an exporter, and "don't have trouble with GST"

Care to elaborate?
Remember, this ain't a pissing contest down the boozer with drunken mates, there are real industry people on this thread, and some of us have been in the import business for a few decades.

Post the relevant link

[SS90]

Post the relevant link

http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/...s/default.aspx

Had to do it from my mobile, so it wasn't easy to find (at least a minute)

This is faster
http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/.../default.aspx#

To down to "refunds of duty for commercial importers."

Peejay, if you are going to tell fibs, make them believable and if you are cheating on your tax, don't post it on the web!

[Crasherfromwayback]

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if you are going to tell fibs, make them believable

Fuck off. This is KB!

[PeeJay]

Very few are getting rich here doing this.

Maybe the model does have to change... one question would be how would we do it and still keep everyone employed?

Hope it helps.

The purpose of business isnt to "keep everyone employed"
Employment is a side effect of business, depends on the business of course.
Generally speaking running a successful business leads to employment.
A business whose purpose is to keep everyone employed is unlikely to be a successful business standing on its own feet.
It would require some sort of subsidy to support the "extra" employees
This subsidy could be in the form of higher prices. Subsidy via the consumer. Pretty much what this thread is about.
Govt assistance via tax breaks, wage subsidy, etc. Subsidy via the taxpayer.
Either way rather than having people employed doing pretend work, better to have them productively employed where their labour leads to something worthwhile

What is the difference between having a warehouse in Auckland and Wellington?
Between Wellington and Sydney
Between Auckland and LA

Not a lot really.
Within NZ you could have your parts in a day (if they are here)
From LA could be 2-3 days
Thats the downside
Upside, huge savings in not have a duplicate system here with all the attendant costs and problems you mention, economies of scale, what to stock, etc
Will you have to sack your storeman probably not all of them
Sitting on a computer making up orders, doesnt actually matter if the physical warehouse is here or in LA.
Parts picking? still need someone to unpack and repack orders

3d printers are getting more techo by the day
soon you will be able to email your parts

[PeeJay]

http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/...s/default.aspx

Had to do it from my mobile, so it wasn't easy to find (at least a minute)

This is faster
http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/.../default.aspx#

To down to "refunds of duty for commercial importers."

Peejay, if you are going to tell fibs, make them believable and if you are cheating on your tax, don't post it on the web!

Exactly right Customs does not refund gst.
IRD does

[SS90]

Exactly right Customs does not refund gst.
IRD does

You sir, are a fool.

[PeeJay]

You sir, are a fool.

GST is administered by IRD not customs
Customs charge you gst on your import, IRD refund it.

But you actually have to ask IRD not Customs

I may be a fool but I'm not stupid.

[PeeJay]

You sir, are a fool.

Sorry ,thought you were going to post a link to the relevant tax law
The links you sent dealt with Customs regulations

[Edbear]

I will take a stab at this. This is in relation to the question of why don't the shops go back to the distributor/importer and say hey dickwad, your prices are too fricken high!! Change them.

Answer would most likely be along the lines of the following.

We would love to, however in NZ we buy so few of part x compared to almost any other international market we don't get the price breaks other dealers do. Remember out country is smaller than many other cities!

We are a million miles away from where this is coming from freight is higher, also we are expected to have every part, model, colour, size in at all times and if they are not in stock they should be only minutes away. We can't use sea freight or it will take too long, so we air freight it in (or spend a small fortune trying to hold all the stock). Price is higher.

We have to provide a warranty - international suppliers don't, we pay for parts and labour for the warranty repair.
So we try to carry a selection of spare parts, this is like trying to read a crystal ball. We have parts for some models that are close to twenty years old. However we have no chance of stocking every spare part we might need.

We warehouse the products.

We help promote the products.

We pay our governments numerous charges, port charges, duty, gst, bio security, handling and anything else our government can think of.

Staff wages.

Local freight.

ACC/OSH requirements and compliance costs.

At least two of our manufactures require orders 6 months out, confirmed and finaled 3 months out. We have to GUESS what our clients will need/want. We guess wrong, we have dead stock, or lose sales.

We try to make it so we can supply the goods as close to the US/UK retail as possible. But it is bloody hard.
Infact, usually we can't, so we try to get as close as we can.

Very few are getting rich here doing this.

Maybe the model does have to change... one question would be how would we do it and still keep everyone employed?

Hope it helps.

Wot he sed!

[Clockwork]

I will take a stab at this. This is in relation to the question of why don't the shops go back to the distributor/importer and say hey dickwad, your prices are too fricken high!! Change them.

Answer would most likely be along the lines of the following.

We would love to, however in NZ we buy so few of part x compared to almost any other international market we don't get the price breaks other dealers do. Remember out country is smaller than many other cities!

We are a million miles away from where this is coming from freight is higher, also we are expected to have every part, model, colour, size in at all times and if they are not in stock they should be only minutes away. We can't use sea freight or it will take too long, so we air freight it in (or spend a small fortune trying to hold all the stock). Price is higher.

We have to provide a warranty - international suppliers don't, we pay for parts and labour for the warranty repair.
So we try to carry a selection of spare parts, this is like trying to read a crystal ball. We have parts for some models that are close to twenty years old. However we have no chance of stocking every spare part we might need.

We warehouse the products.

We help promote the products.

We pay our governments numerous charges, port charges, duty, gst, bio security, handling and anything else our government can think of.

Staff wages.

Local freight.

ACC/OSH requirements and compliance costs.

At least two of our manufactures require orders 6 months out, confirmed and finaled 3 months out. We have to GUESS what our clients will need/want. We guess wrong, we have dead stock, or lose sales.

We try to make it so we can supply the goods as close to the US/UK retail as possible. But it is bloody hard.
Infact, usually we can't, so we try to get as close as we can.

Very few are getting rich here doing this.

Maybe the model does have to change... one question would be how would we do it and still keep everyone employed?

Hope it helps.

but this "economies of scale" argument doesn't wash when the consumer can and will happily source the parts elsewhere but then the local distributor or the manufacturer attempt to distort the market by preventing them from doing so.

If it's uneconomical to distribute locally..... let us source from wherever we can.