Good idea?

[James Deuce]

Actually - I was hoping you would take the post of 'senior lecturer in resilience'. If it was a sport you would be a champion for sure...

I am a human cockroach, though most people probably leave "roach" off the end these days.

[Paul in NZ]

Fuck .. you don't have to go to Europe to see that ... It's happened here exactly as you describe and I'm glad that you recognise the issue !!!

I know this is an Aussie graphic .. but you'll get the point ...

exactly - if you had placed all of us in scum villages until we knew how to behave things would be very different...

But thats not quite what the original article was pointing out... so lets treat this as another surprising benefit...

[Paul in NZ]

This is an interesting take on the idea. Its driving home what I was thinking when I read it that the socialist democracies are suddenly coming up with some very right wing policies..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...liberal-europe

I don't think this is the issue though and the purpose of these posts is NOT to suggest that we should build ghettos but rather to spark discussion. I've been reading a bit around this and I am starting to agree with those that suggest this is a sign of a failing democracies. The problem being the democracy isnt so much a political system but a cultural one. Its based on habits, attitudes, divisions of power, belief in the law and an absence of corruption and while you can import these systems and set them up and you cannot impose alien cultures on people - they don't stick and the system fails.

In this case I'm 100% sure that these people are following a well worn path. Everyone from the Catholic Inquisitors to the Chinese Communists justified tyranny and cruelty because their end goals were so lofty and would make the world 'better'.

The democratic wests invasion of the world has generally made things better. People live longer and % wise less people are being killed than ever before even if the total numbers are up. However democracies up until now have sold the idea that this is to build a better world and that our children will be better off than we are. For the first time this is not going to happen.

To summarize. Growth in economic advantage terms for individuals is at best stagnant. Opportunities are limited and the current democratic system does not have the processes built in to cope. Immigration and changing population dynamics are undermining the cultural base of sustainable democracies leading to large parts of 'society' actually being out side of society.

The socialist left is drifting right as it hardens its attitudes or fails to convince people that its goal of a self governed utopia isnt going to happen any time soon and the right is happily drifting even more right but in less numbers.

Meanwhile the middle classes are being swamped and can't hold the upwardly mobile dream any longer. The small acts of kindness stop and we are screwed....

[mashman]

interesting post.

Meanwhile the middle classes are being swamped and can't hold the upwardly mobile dream any longer. The small acts of kindness stop and we are screwed....

or we change and actually make an effort. Ain't gonna happen where money is involved I'm afraid and that's a fact, not a theory.

[scumdog]

or we change and actually make an effort. Ain't gonna happen where money is involved I'm afraid and that's a fact, not a theory.

Money's got fuck all to do with it...$$$ or not a lot of society has lost it's 'nicer' side.

Even in poorer countries.

Why?

Don't ask me....a sign of the times.

[mashman]

Money's got fuck all to do with it...$$$ or not a lot of society has lost it's 'nicer' side.

Even in poorer countries.

Why?

Don't ask me....a sign of the times.

... hmmmmmm, you raise an excellent point. Tis just a shame that it's the penis sticking out from the top of your head.

I have answered the why... and for the second time today, please refer to my avatar for a further explanation of your post (only the first time was unexpected)

[scumdog]

... hmmmmmm, you raise an excellent point. Tis just a shame that it's the penis sticking out from the top of your head.

I have answered the why... and for the second time today, please refer to my avatar for a further explanation of your post (only the first time was unexpected)

Explain to my why, my eyes are open...

Only in the same number of words that I have failed to explain why.

(I haven't got 300 years to read the likely reply..)

[mashman]

Explain to my why, my eyes are open...

Only in the same number of words that I have failed to explain why.

(I haven't got 300 years to read the likely reply..)

fair enough. We are protective of what we have "earned". If that is under constant threat, then people will react in a protective manner. The trust is lost. If there's trust there's less reason to be protective and people will become "nicer" again.

[Deano]

If being a 'scum' is genuinely a lifestyle choice, fuck em all!

[Brian d marge]

Money's got fuck all to do with it...$$$ or not a lot of society has lost it's 'nicer' side.

Even in poorer countries.

Why?

Don't ask me....a sign of the times.

Sorry but money and the Friedman economics has everything to do with it
Even down to impolite , bad driving etc
When you marginalise people , the ideas , rules which they the people justify their existence change
Examples , gangs , teens ,
Read
Five families , a case study ,,, where they studied marginalised people
You and others can dismiss it but that's exactly what is happening in NZ. , to a tee
A small group is doing well due to their ability to move large amounts of money around ,
A large chunk are middle class and are just OK ( people who had an education and had bought into the housing market pre 1980 ish )
And the rest marginalised
I'm on the train and have no access to my notes so can't tell you the ratios
It will only get worse until you start to address the following
Speculation on housing , basic education reversing the perceived social norms such as dietary ,work etc
Removal of taxes on fruit and vege and increasing it on processed )
Stop using the "Jewish" solution in order to promote an ideal ( the unemployed and single mothers are the reason NZ economy is struggling )
Sorry if this isn't very clear , its a complex thing to define clearly in a few words , I might spend a few moments to write it clearly then add to notes or cut and paste
Anyway the solution is already known ( and applied in some other country's ) trouble is it doesn't fit with the Americans foreign policy's
Stephen

[Ocean1]

fair enough. We are protective of what we have "earned". If that is under constant threat, then people will react in a protective manner. The trust is lost. If there's trust there's less reason to be protective and people will become "nicer" again.

I'll "trust" people when they give me less reason to be protective of what I've earned. In the meantime if I find your fingers near my earnings I'll kick your arse. You might have noticed there's no funny dots an' shit arount the EARNED, that's because the word is being used correctly.

If being a 'scum' is genuinely a lifestyle choice, fuck em all!

I'd be happy to leave them to fuck themselves, as long as they leave my shit alone.

[mashman]

I'll "trust" people when they give me less reason to be protective of what I've earned. In the meantime if I find your fingers near my earnings I'll kick your arse. You might have noticed there's no funny dots an' shit arount the EARNED, that's because the word is being used correctly.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

[Ocean1]

Thank you for illustrating my point.

Pfft. If anyone actually agreed with you they wouldn't be wanting their own money let alone mine.

[mashman]

Pfft. If anyone actually agreed with you they wouldn't be wanting their own money let alone mine.

Again, thanks for proving my point. Would you still do what you do? or do you only do it for the money?

[scumdog]

NO money? = existing..

Money? = LIVING!