The rules are the rules

[Drew]

Yip,

But the biggest problem of all is that not too many people actually read the rulebook or supp regs and therefore count on ignorance as an excuse.

Be warned now,The NZSBK series will be a very different animal this year than its been for sometime,There will be some leeway given to those who we feel are genuine,But for the most part the rules will be administered as per the rulebook and those that have been on this site and other internet sites bagging the system,Might just have put themselves in the firing line,My advice would be to make sure your well versed in chapters 1 thru 10,22 and the relevant appendix for any machines you may be running as well as the supp regs,There will be something checked at random,At every opportunity we get,The Tech steward is primed and ready and I will be his 2IC.

There goes half the fuckin pro twins class then.

[Billy]

There goes half the fuckin pro twins class then.

Well definitely one that springs too mind unless its been changed since last time I saw it Haha,Not Deanos though,You guys are safe.

[roogazza]

There goes half the fuckin pro twins class then.

I hope it's some proper cheating and not a different subframe or such like.
How many pro twins nowdays, five ? lol. Cut out a couple and there'd be no so called championship.

I see mention of someone crossing a yellow line for the pits, does anyone know all the other rule breaking going on.
Good thing it's not the 70s, cheating got you a yr without a licence. (if you got caught hahaha).

[Drew]

I hope it's some proper cheating and not a different subframe or such like.
How many pro twins nowdays, five ? lol. Cut out a couple and there'd be no so called championship.

I see mention of someone crossing a yellow line for the pits, does anyone know all the other rule breaking going on.
Good thing it's not the 70s, cheating got you a yr without a licence. (if you got caught hahaha).

Proper cheating. Deans bike has always been slow. So even though it only had 10,000km's on it when it got turned into a race bike, it got a freshen up. Dean being the anal retentive he is, wouldn't have a bar of the interpretive mods I wanted to make. Not illegal by my reading of the cam rule, but probably out side the spirit.

Beauty, should keep up now. NOT A CHANCE. Compression is the best way to get some power from an SV, it's also the best way to spit a conrod out the block when the big ends let go...That happens a bit to pro twins aye.

11 bikes entered for round one of the nats this year.

I could be wrong, but didn't Craig Freathy get a year long ban for doing s
omething wrong with an F3 bike inside the last decade or so?

[Billy]

I hope it's some proper cheating and not a different subframe or such like.
How many pro twins nowdays, five ? lol. Cut out a couple and there'd be no so called championship.

So what are you suggesting Gary,We should turn a blind eye to cheating in any shape or form,Just so the cheats,(Or in most cases,People who can't be arsed reading the relevant parts of the rulebook) can go racing ????

Pretty simple really,Read the relevant info and build your machine too suit,If your not sure,ASK,Ignorance is no excuse.Its not up to the individuals to interperet the rules,You either understand them...or not,If you dont,Call/Text or email me for a clarification.

[GD66]

Yip,

But the biggest problem of all is that not too many people actually read the rulebook or supp regs and therefore count on ignorance as an excuse.

Maybe not Billy, but when they sign their entry form, and again when they sign up on race day, they are signing off on the fact that they are undertaking to conduct themselves under the rules, so ignorance as an excuse doesn't stack up. When your eyes glaze over as you skim the fine print and hurry to put your signature at the bottom of the page, it says so in there. Besides, any racer worth his salt should read and understand the rules inside out to gain any possibility of exploiting them to the max to his advantage. Historic racing has a long and sad history of well-intentioned punters keen to recapture a period of their youth, and building up a long-fancied steed only to turn up at scrutineering and find what they've built doesn't conform, so they leave shaking their fist, vowing never to return, and telling all within earshot that this and that are all fucked.

READ THE RULES ! And that means GCRs and supp regs... then you won't look a gumby, and can actually conduct a civilised debate when things come into question

[Drew]

...can actually conduct a civilised debate when things come into question

Dude, there's something wrong with your technique I reckon!

[jellywrestler]

There once was a superbike rider named Drew

you're a fucking Comedian man, I just about fell out of my secretary when i read that!!!
GOLD

[roogazza]

So what are you suggesting Gary,We should turn a blind eye to cheating in any shape or form,Just so the cheats,(Or in most cases,People who can't be arsed reading the relevant parts of the rulebook) can go racing ????

No no Billy, my comment was just a little tongue in cheek. I'm way out of touch and am just interested in the sort of rule bending that might be going on today. (I got no answer there!) I mean most of the older cheating was in the quest for horsepower in prod bikes. Some quite clever.
Although we did have chromed Konis,but they were easy to spot.

As an example (if you'll forgive an old fart dribbling on) A mate came over from Aust to ride a Triumph Bonny for Dickie Lawton. It was put together in the factory and balanced so the story goes lol. A top rider gave me his Mach 4 to test them together (on the western hutt road as it happened)To cut the tale short the mach4 blitzed the Triumph, I couldn't believe how Kawa went so I went home to get my one, which then happened to be exactly the same as the triumph ! Mine was stock the other two not so.
So, does that sort of thing happen today ?

ps Oh, the following week the triumph won 5 races at Levin, no protests whatsoever.

[GD66]

Who was that Gaz ? I can recall Dale Wylie cleaning up at Porirua in a 750 Bonnie, then Dave Hiscock getting stuck into the Mach IVs, but few other successful attempts on the Meriden twins.
Apart from the rather rapid 650 that Aucklander Garry Turner rode that his dad built, that WAS indecently quick...but well-ridden, too.

[roogazza]

Who was that Gaz ? I can recall Dale Wylie cleaning up at Porirua in a 750 Bonnie, then Dave Hiscock getting stuck into the Mach IVs, but few other successful attempts on the Meriden twins.
Apart from the rather rapid 650 that Aucklander Garry Turner rode that his dad built, that WAS indecently quick...but well-ridden, too.

Hi GD66, It was Brian Martin, he used to pop over here every so often and ride Dickie's bikes. You'll remember him, a close mate of Craig Brown (of the first Aus 6 hr fame).
Brian was NSW unlimited moto Champ, Five of us lived Sydney in about 1970.

[GD66]

Thanks Gaz, I remember Brian well, he came back to live in the mid-70s and rode Suzukis while I was looking after Peter Ploen's mx bikes. I assume that's the same Bonnie Wylie rode, he used to lay it over and sledge round the corners on those big fat huckery mufflers. Rules is rules, but I'd like to have had a look inside that Bonnie "production" racer...

Good pic from Levin as well, cheers mate.

[Skunk]

To be fair Craig your prob right.

But times are a changing and the only way to be fair to everyone is to instil consistancy across the board regardless of who the person is. The rule infringed should have the same consequence full stop.

Sure he or she can shout and stomp there feet and listened too but if they 'overstep' the line in that regard there is a consequence (in the rules) for that too!

Not being a hard assed bastard about it but AMCC will be making a huge effort to run there meetings (the next 3 club rounds and 4th round of the Nationals in March) in a way that is fair to everyone and that way is according to the rules. SImply put if you, your bike or your crew are outside of those rules (regardless of who you are or what class your in) then you know what will happen.

Of course the officials have to see it or have it reported and substantiated for this to work, oh and any 'blind eyes' wont be tolerated either.

Everyone can expect the same at Round 5 in Taupo. The Rules will NOT be interpreted.

[c4.]

Top job today Graham.
What a great comp.
Respect.
WW

[slowpoke]

So can someone explain why undersized bikes with the wrong colour number board are consistently allowed to cross enter classes they should be excluded from?

F1 as per Vic Club rules (I can't see Tri-Series now that entries are closed) is for 601-1300cc 4 cylinder bikes with a white number board, black numbers - not 599cc 4 cylinder bikes with a yellow number board.

Same goes for F3 bikes entering F2, with less than 401cc 4 cyl bikes (or illegally sized 2 strokes) having the wrong number board (black background, white numbers in F3).

Check out the Tri-Series entry list here http://www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz/rid...tries-recieved and there are clearly some accepted entries that need to be revised ASAP.

Edit: sorry, don't mean to be an arsehole but if I'm gonna be sent home because my numbers are not the right font as stipulated by MNZ then I wanna make damn sure every one else is playing within the rules.